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A Terrible, Strange Place
Matt:
Joe,
Thank you so much! My wife just talked to me last night about "working out our salvation" and its meaning for us etc..
Now I have somewhere to start :)
Every day, God is pulling her in closer and closer to the truth. The other day, I showed her proof of many spurious passages that are not in the original manuscripts of the NT (sinaitic writings, etc), and she was very upset (not with me this time though ;D.) She even "jokingly" said that she may need to find a different church ;)
Also, space is just nothing, isn't it? It hurts my head to think about it for any more that 20 seconds, just like Ray said in his audio about eternity, hmmmm.
Matt
Sorin:
I agree with Arcturus-that is magnificent!
Thanks for posting that Joe, I needed to read that again.
Little Joe:
--- Quote from: Matthew on January 27, 2008, 07:00:31 PM ---Joe,
Thank you so much! My wife just talked to me last night about "working out our salvation" and its meaning for us etc..
Now I have somewhere to start :)
Every day, God is pulling her in closer and closer to the truth. The other day, I showed her proof of many spurious passages that are not in the original manuscripts of the NT (sinaitic writings, etc), and she was very upset (not with me this time though ;D.) She even "jokingly" said that she may need to find a different church ;)
Also, space is just nothing, isn't it? It hurts my head to think about it for any more that 20 seconds, just like Ray said in his audio about eternity, hmmmm.
Matt
--- End quote ---
Actually, Matt, space is something because it exists in time, and space is absolutely necessary for matter to exist, and the whole universe to exist for that matter, since it is mostly empty space. Before time there truly was nothing, which is incomprehensible. So "nothing" does not even exist in the space-time continuum as we know it! I think MY head is beginning to hurt. ???
Matt:
18, 19, 20, POP! (Sound of my head exploding!) ;D
hillsbororiver:
Hi Everyone,
I sure wish I had a head exploding smiley to put here, thanks for the responses. Here is the next section from;
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.0.html
You think if this is what God wanted and He is eternal, why didn’t He do it a zillion years ago. So this plays right into the hands of what I am talking about, but not completely. Because we have this thing of eternity, which has no beginning. I mean if anything exists, something has to eternally exist. And that’s just it. At least as we understand the law of physics and so on. If you have nothing, you can not from nothing have something. Something eternally must exist, because WE exist.
This (knocks on table) is here, I’m here, you’re here, and we know we’re here and we know we did not eternally exist. Because you have a birthday, same day every year, so you’re here and can’t deny it. So we know we weren’t always here and as we study history and people study paleontology, anthology and all the other -ologys, nothing eternally existed. Then you get into quantum mechanics, astrology, astronomy and astrophysics and all those things. We find that nothing in it’s present state, always existed.
So then we see all these galaxies out there and they are moving, and there moving outward. Well if they are moving out, they must have been at one time, in, makes sense, right? And if they were in, this far back in history, then further back they must have been further in too. So if you keep backing up just sheer logic would tell you that it all came together at one point. But now you got another quandary though. Since it comes together, so it was together at one time? Is that how it started out?
The reason it came together, is because gravity drew it together. But it couldn’t have always been that way, because then gravity couldn’t have drawn it in, because it was never out.
Oh well, maybe it was out and it drew it in, then it exploded out and then drew it in. So what, it’s the same thing.
Modern man doesn’t go back 50,00 years on this earth, of course not. So if you have the pulsating universe you solve the problem, you got to go back to the first pulse. Where did that first matter come from? That first pulse?
Your mind goes crazy. You say well it’s just there and it got so tight, it just explodes. But wait a minute, how did it get tight?
Maybe it never came in, it only goes out. Because if it comes in and goes out that’s a two process thing, and we want to look for the original process. So if it didn’t come in first to go out, then it only went out. So if it went out first, out from where? It was gravity that was drawing it in? Your mind can’t handle it. There is no where to go with that!? Where did the blob that drew itself in and then exploded into the expanding universe, where did it come from? And if it eternally existed, how could it eternally exist in a state that would allow for that? It’s drawn in so tight it’s going to explode, so how can it eternally exist in a state that won’t tolerate that? You see what I’m saying!?
Well then where did it get that way!? You see what I’m saying? Where did it get that way? You think well it was that way eternally, but it couldn’t have been eternally that way. Because it can’t function in that form, it would blow up. Well where did it come from? How did it blow up? Your brain can’t take this any further!
Space is endless and you keep going and going. It just can’t be. Do you come to a wall? Well what’s on the other side of the wall? Nothing? That’s what space is?
So I say the whole thing is bizarre. And I say that in love and hopefully with a little wisdom. This whole creation is bizarre. God is doing like He said in Isaiah 28:21 “a strange work.”
Here are some verses I thought fit this vein;
Isa 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Isa 44:25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;
1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
God has layed things out in such a way that attempting to leave Him out of creation or even in the influencing and direction of our own individual lives requires mental gymnastics that can make you crazy!
Job 10:8 Thine hands have made me and fashioned me together round about; yet thou dost destroy me.
Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.
Jer 18:6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
We will not truly have a complete understanding of all this until the "change" at resurrection but even the bits and pieces of wisdom that are being revealed to us expands the mind and gives us glimpses of God and His plan and purpose that relatively very few have had the good fortune to see.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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