> General Discussions
the garden scene
Deborah-Leigh:
So it is all Eve's fault right :D Just kidding! :D
I find it interesting that Jesus addressed His Father quote John 17 : 6 I have told these men about you. They were in the world but then YOU GAVE them to me. (Like Eve was given to Adam? I think so. ) Actually they were always Yours, and YOU gave them to me, AND THEY HAVE KEPT YOUR WORD...
This just strikes me as saying, that FEW are given to Christ by God. Few keep His Word. I think this applies to women as well....
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
lilitalienboi16:
Agreed sorin.
Arcturus, you are to much man! :P
Great scripture though, its definatly something to think about and does bring a parellel to eve being given to adam as in the Father giving Christ those that are His. Yet we know that the Father hath given ALL THINGS into the Son's hand.
Hmm interesting stuff!
God bless,
Alex
ericsteven:
I have been reading some of Gerald Schroeder’s books concerning his theory on the nature of the creation in Genesis 1. I believe Ray mentioned his name in one of his talks in regards to some of the books that he had been reading. Schroeder has some very radical, yet sensible, ideas about how the creation ‘days’ can be seen, despite the fact that he does believe in the false doctrine of ‘free will.’ His basic contention is that, based on Einstein’s theory of relativity and the concept of time dilation, the six days of creation are both literal 24 hour days and upwards of billions of years – at the same time. From the earth’s perspective it would be billions of years, but from the point when God initiated what Ray calls the ‘God Awesome Blast,’ which started the universe expanding outward in all directions, it would only seem like six days. It’s all relative. (His theory is different from the day-age theory going around, but I cannot even begin to explain the science behind it yet.)
All that to address one thing in your email about Adam not knowing what death was before he ate of the tree. That particular theory is used by some Young Earth Creationists (the earth is only 6000 years old) to show that there was no animal death at all before the ‘fall’ of Adam, otherwise the creation would not have been “very good” and perfect and Jesus’s sacrifice would have been for nought. They also believe, based on Genesis 1:29-30, that all animals on the earth ate plants up until after the flood when God gave permission to eat meat. Not to say that they are wrong about the death aspect (I don't know), but Ray has taught us that the creation was not perfect in the sense of Christ being perfect (without sin), but it was perfect and ‘very good’ – even the evil 'serpent' - for the purposes that God had set forth from the beginning.
I thank Ray for dropping all of his little hints about what he’s been studying. It’s really gotten me interested in what Genesis 1 really means rather than what it says. One thing that intrigued me was that it could possibly be assumed that Adam named the animals that came to him on the sixth day according to the Hebrew language. I guess it could be possible that he used another language at that time, but the scriptures are silent in that regard. That said, the Hebrew word for lion is ariy (Strong’s H738). It is derived from a Hebrew root word meaning ‘in a sense of violence.’ Would Adam give a lion that name because of the way the lion did violence towards a tree? The Hebrew for the night hawk mentioned in Leviticus 11 in the KJV is tachmac, which is derived from a root word which means ‘to wrong, do violence to, treat violently, do wrongly.” Are we to think that Adam gave that name because of the way the bird violently treated the berries on the bush? If Schroeder is on the right path as to his explanation, even if he’s not totally right, the sixth ‘day’ that Adam experienced would have given him enough time to see the natural processes of the natural world taking place, including the death of animals at the hands (paws, talons?) of other animals. He would at least have an inkling of what death was like – even natural death as opposed to just violent death - from what he observed in the animal kingdom.
I don’t know what the truth is concerning this matter, and I fervently look forward to what Ray has to impart, but I believe there is perhaps evidence in the scripture to point to the assumption that Adam may have known exactly what death was, at least what death looked like in the animals around him. The scriptures don’t say that he questioned what death was when God told him he would die, so perhaps he knew up to a certain point exactly what he was getting himself into.
Anyway, no major theological breakthrough here, just food for thought. Perhaps Ray will clear much of this up for us in September.
Eric
Sorin:
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on February 01, 2008, 01:06:20 AM ---Agreed sorin.
--- End quote ---
*thumbsup*
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 ---Arcturus, you are to much man! :P
--- End quote ---
I'm pretty sure Arcturus is female. ROFL! :P
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 ---Great scripture though, its definatly something to think about and does bring a parellel to eve being given to adam as in the Father giving Christ those that are His. Yet we know that the Father hath given ALL THINGS into the Son's hand.
Hmm interesting stuff!
--- End quote ---
Yes, Eve was definitely given to Adam by God, much like all creation has been given to Christ, by God. For we know that all good gifts are from above.
Take care,
Sorin
Sorin:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on January 31, 2008, 11:10:50 PM ---So it is all Eve's fault right :D Just kidding! :D
--- End quote ---
Well, ye women have a way of making men do crazy things. :P
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version