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Martinez:
I was just reading this thread and it made me realise that we really are one body!

What I mean is that We can share in each others experiences with out actually going through all of them personally.

Most of us don't feel the need to hide from each other like the vast majority in the world (both of them) so we get the benefit of each others hurts, weaknesses and pain.

It's almost like gaining the experience from having multiple lives!

Hope that doesn't sound to dumb?

hebrewroots98:
Congrats Arc on finding a believer in your area to fellowship with.  What a blessing that is!  She will advance soon I am sure, especially having you there to show her the practical side of it all. 

Yes, I do need to study more so that I can have those scriptures at the tip of my tongue when needed.  Yes, living the truth is a lifestyle that had better not be just an event that will help one to just pass the time, that is unless one doesn't mind not being one of the elect; and to me that would be very sad.  My Dh says to simply ignore these ppl b/c they want  no part of me...hbowever, with their fickleness in talking to me, I have a hard time just letting them go and ignoring them, plus to me this is not the loving way.  Maybe I am wrong, if so, let me know...anyone.   

Deborah-Leigh:
We have to do unto others as we would have them do unto us. This is not easy because to be objective is so difficult.

How would you wish to be responded to if you were on the wrong path? Would you want a real wake up call or would you want to be treated as if there were nothing wrong?

I believe this is where Ray gets it right. He treats his detractors and underminers as I truly believe he would want to be treated if he were blind, in order to catch a wake up FAST! So keeping to social graces and polite expectations goes by the way side in order to call a spade a spade and I really do think this is the most loving thing, most selfless sacrifice and obvious way to be either persecuted some more or regarded as being righteous, forthright and in preference to be in good standing with God rather than man.

If you treat people as they are, perhaps they will see themselves as they are. If a cowering hypocrite, liar, two faced doubleminded self deceived person thinks that dishonesty is cool, that lying is part of the game of success, that deception is acting and the best act gets the best returns and being in with the crowd is what life is all about, then how will they ever repent or change. I am not talking judgment to condemnation or holier than thou or I am better than you sort of thing. I am not doing that. I am saying that honesty in responce to peoples self deception, self approvals and self idolatry,  can be most stringently healing, redirecting and beneficial for them. I think that is what the Spirit of Christ does. It redirects, benefits and heals.

The redirection hurts and that is where persecution, retaliation, spite and malicious intent can arise if benefits of  redirection do not find the good soil of the heart to grow into healing, humility, regard for God and His ways in a gentle non violent, turning away from man and his.

Peace to you sister.

Arc.

Bradigans:
Through affliction God is trying to get our (the called) eyes off of the cares of this world.

 - 2 Corinthians 4:17-18 - For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 - 1 Peter 4:12-13 - Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

There's a whole other world here right now.

 - Mark 1:15 - The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

It can't be discerned with physical senses, but has to be discerned by faith.

 - Hebrews 11:1 - Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
 

Bonafides, don't fall away, for God's seed is at work (Luke 8:11- Luke 8:15).
 
 - Luke 8:13 - They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

It gets deep and heavy sometimes, I know. Don't fall away though, because i'll be needing your prayers tomorrow... I may not even make it through the day because the tempter is something else.

truthistforjesus:
First of all, this is a wonderful story of how the Lord works within everyone!  What a communion to have a 'new' spiritual brother that you can grow and experience with.  I too have been afflicted in my life.  Mostly this was done because I was doing 'my will' instead of my Father's.  It truely is a blessing to try to become better and better everyday in trying to follow the leadings of the spirit.  He has opened my eyes to greater truth and most especially greater truth in OTHERS... Even though I tarry and learn, it all seems to come back to assisting others.  The Brotherhood of Man.  I find myself in these situations where I can use my faith in order to help someone in need.  I am asking the Father daily for guidance in these matters.  "Help me better assist others Lord."  It has been rough though, beating down the emotional walls, preconceived notions, and mindal habits of my past 'lost self.'  As I rekon backwards in my mind, like all of us do, I perceive differently.  I see that it all WAS God's plan, for me.... Of course the 'me' involves others as well... This is not a ministry of selfishness, but, selflessness.  It was not the Devil intervening.  If this were the case, the Devil would have to be working with God.  Didn't God choose us before we were born?  He surely would've KNOW and FORESEEN all outcomes, possible decisions, paths, dissappointments, hopes, fears, etc.  in our lives... He created us!  So, not to 'deny' the Devil, it almost pains me to capitalize his name, but, I simply will not let the 'thought' of HIS intervention be in my mind... If I think about the Devil, Lucifer, Satan, etc, I am giving him life in my mind, even though I am not afraid of him because of my faith in Christ.  The more and more I experience trials, the more and more I say, "Thank you Lord!"  Does not these particular,seemly 'negative', events ENRICH our FAITH??? Sure we stumble, but we move on, sipping on the cup of rightousness.  Learning, loving, learning and loving again.  This is NOT 'new age' philosophy.  Little do they know how close they are.  The great distortion with 'them' lies in the attitude of 'self-worth'.  Living for self.  Self development... etc.... I know whereof I speak in this matter.   A feeling of 'self-worthiness' can only lead to potential 'self destruction', potentially coming soon to the glory of our Lord!!!!!!  I'm rambling...Sorry.     Thanks for the forum. and your times...

Love,
TFJ 

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