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zander:
Can anyone shed more light on this?  I was shocked to read that there really is no scripture to state that Mary was a virgin, as Ray has just stipulated.

Is this true?  I mean i have never read it in scripture, but have i missed something?  Was Mary really NOT a virgin, at Christ's birth/conception?

Becky:
Luke 1:34 (King James Version)

 34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?


I'm confused too.

Origen II:
Of course Mary was a virgin at Christ's conception:

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. (Matthew 1:18 )

After that, her and Joseph had sex and birthed His brothers.

Origen II:

--- Quote from: Becky ---Luke 1:34 (King James Version)

 34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?


I'm confused too.
--- End quote ---


The angel said she would be found with child and Mary simply replied, "How can this be since I haven't had sex?"

Origen II:
And I don't believe Ray was going against Mary being a virgin...but that Mary was not born sinless.

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