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I choose to go to hell
ellie77:
HI everyone,
I never cease to feel grateful and thankful for the truth and the subjects that are discussed here. I so felt like "that" in church, always one foot out the door,mentality. So glad when it happened. Just yesterday I was reading an article,in our local paper on all the news by a pastor of one of our Church's,all good news and encouragement. Then right at the bottom,in the proverbial "fine print" was written "Those that don't know Jesus will go to hell".The name of the church is Grace church. Nathan,my son always called it disgrace church.I can not help but totally agree with him.Horrible insanity.
Blessings, Ellie....
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Martinez on February 14, 2008, 06:03:42 PM ---
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on February 14, 2008, 04:11:12 PM ---Hey Martinez,
Understood! ;)
I have to ask you though to please elaborate a bit on the verses you quoted previously, sorry to say I missed your point.
His Peace to you,
Joe
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Sorry, what I mean is Christians like to come up with verses of the bible that supposedly support their belief in Hell, but quite often they cite verses that contradict other verses that supposedly support their doctrine of Hell fire.
They will say that Hell is separation from God, but they will give you Rev 14:10 to show you that the bible!
Well tell then how it is possible for someone to be eternally separated from God whilst being tortured in fire froever in fire?
I know what they would say because I've heard them say it before "with God all things are possible"
LOL!
They will also say that God doesn't send you to Hell, you choose to go there, but then in the other breath quote Rev 20:15 which shows people being thrown into the Lake of fire!
If they had chosen willingly to go there then why do they need to be thrown?
how come it doesn't talk about them marching into the Lake of fire if they chose to go willingly?
Are you with me now?
--- End quote ---
Thanks for the clarification Martinez, I am there. ;)
His Peace to you,
Joe
Martinez:
--- Quote from: ellie77 on February 16, 2008, 03:37:41 AM ---HI everyone,
I never cease to feel grateful and thankful for the truth and the subjects that are discussed here. I so felt like "that" in church, always one foot out the door,mentality. So glad when it happened. Just yesterday I was reading an article,in our local paper on all the news by a pastor of one of our Church's,all good news and encouragement. Then right at the bottom,in the proverbial "fine print" was written "Those that don't know Jesus will go to hell".The name of the church is Grace church. Nathan,my son always called it disgrace church.I can not help but totally agree with him.Horrible insanity.
Blessings, Ellie....
--- End quote ---
Ha ha LOL!
I know of a similar thin where a church sent out tracts into the comunity (small town up the road) and it said something like, "if you don't repent and follow Jesus you are going to go to Hell"
The people who were telling us about this are friends of my wife's and ordinary Hell fire Christians.
they were complaining about it saying that that was a terrible thing to say and you would more likely cause people turn away from Jesus, but when I tried to tell them the good news (the actual good news) they were not happy about that either!
Go figure?
I don't understand Christians anymore!
Kent:
--- Quote from: Martinez on February 14, 2008, 03:20:07 PM ---Hey Joe, I can really relate to your church experience.
Church for me was like a going for a walk in a pair of shoes that were 2 sizes to small.
very uncomfortable, go back into Babylon will never be high on my list of temptations either.
--- End quote ---
Not just the "teachings" ::) but those butt-numbing pews make me anxious to get out.
I wonder if they got the idea of those from The Inquisition?
Martinez:
--- Quote from: Kent on February 17, 2008, 06:59:39 AM ---
--- Quote from: Martinez on February 14, 2008, 03:20:07 PM ---Hey Joe, I can really relate to your church experience.
Church for me was like a going for a walk in a pair of shoes that were 2 sizes to small.
very uncomfortable, go back into Babylon will never be high on my list of temptations either.
--- End quote ---
Not just the "teachings" ::) but those butt-numbing pews make me anxious to get out.
I wonder if they got the idea of those from The Inquisition?
--- End quote ---
Not mention those mind numbing sermons!
I think the order of numbness would be thus....
Butt: this makes easier sit there and listen to some guy up on the pulpit blatantly contradicting himself.
Mind: after this goes, you no longer think for yourself, you just blurt out the pre programmed christian responses that your pastor gives.
Conscience: once this goes, it's all over!, you actually take acception to someone telling you that God is not a bumbling buffoon who intends to torture most of humanity in unspeakable agony for all eternity!
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