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I choose to go to hell
hebrewroots98:
I hear ya! I call those numbing sessions "DBS" (DEAD BUTT SYNDROME), LOL ;D ;D ;D ;)
faith2faith:
[quote author=phazel link=topic=6454.msg51902#msg51902 date=1203021246
Hi phazel :)
While I do not believe in Hell.
According to basic Christian theology, we (we being believers) are responsible to evangelize the world and we will be held accountable for those that we do not spread the word to.
The reasons why we fail at evangelizing the world are many, complacency, fear, lack of care, not willing to sacrifice (whatever it would take) money, time, etc.
Once during my church going days I had a thought about just how terrible I was at witnessing, how thoughtless I was to feel great about my salvation while those I failed to witness to are either burning in hell forever or simply eternally separated from God doomed to an eternal sorrow and regret.
Sorry, Christians, the appeal to emotion to trivialize eternal separation from God by saying it is not "torture" but eternal sorrow have NO clue the torture depression really is. So to say separation from God would not be torture is pathetic.
trish here.
I can sympathize :'( with what you are saying, and separation from God and his presence or place of peace/love/ and rest
in him, well I wouldn't wish that upon anyone.......those who don't know Jesus or have a personal relationship with God
Are suffering....torments of, just to name afew..fear..sickness..diseases..depression..opression..demon possession.
experiencing these kinds of torments can seem to those without God's presence, may seem like eternal torture and weather
we like it or not reality is people do live their lives in darkness..we have an enemy who does torment or torture lost souls or
unsaved....I think sometimes we can for get where we came from before ever having any kind of relationship with God,
going through some sort of calamity....I personally am grieved at some of the response on here...seems insensitive and numb.
I agree with you we are accountable if we do anything or if we don't, and i am reminded of what God will say to us on the
day we stand before him;
(matt 25:34,35-40)
Then the King will say to those on his right, "Come, you who are blessed by my Father;
take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
for I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you
invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.
then the righteous will answer him, "Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink,
when did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you, when did we see you sick and in prison and
go to visit you; The King will reply, ' I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did
for me.
May the Holy Spirit comfort you, your not alone and he understands and knows your heart, I share your tears and heart felt...If
I am grieved at some of the unsupportive response here then i am sure the holy spirit is too....let not your heart be troubled :(
May God truthly Bless you in every way!!
trish ;)
Dave in Tenn:
With respect, Trish, you left out in your quotation the OP's words "I am playing Devils advocate with this post."
While you may be able to sympathize with what you think he is saying, you are misunderstanding or misrepresenting what he actually was saying.
"Sorry, Christians, the appeal to emotion to trivialize eternal separation from God by saying it is not "torture" but eternal sorrow have NO clue the torture depression really is. So to say separation from God would not be torture is pathetic." is speaking of the attempt by churches to make Hell more palatable by calling it 'eternal separation' rather than eternal torment. So he's pointing out the inherent contradiction in that Doctrine of "basic Christian theology". To simply concieve of a sort of Hell-light to make the churches' message more palatable flies in the face of logic when one understands what an eternity of seperation from God would be like.
In truth, there is no eternity and there will be no ultimate seperation, with or without torture. Therefor the churches message is flawed at best and hateful of God at worst.
Understanding that, there was no 'insensitive or numb' or 'unsupportive comment' made in reply to his post. He wasn't expressing any depression...he was taken aback by the contradiction. From that, he got full support.
faith2faith:
thank you Dave in Tenn :)
for your reply and clarification of that, really appreciate your input
however i have read several post here and it still grieves me of some
of the responses, that of others who don't read between lines, i am
specking metaphorically of other responses on this forum Dave, but
thank you for clearing that up. ;)
bless you Dave.
trish.
Richard D:
Phazel.
Ray has proved beyond any doubt that hell is Christendom propaganda. Ray has proved this using many scriptures. I was a big time believer as a Roman Catholic in the hell doctrine.
People may live in fear of this all there life but in the end they will discover they had not been told the truth.
Besides, we don’t save ourselves or anyone else only God can do this. All will be eventually saved. :)
In His Love. Richard.
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