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Soul and Spirit of Man
Evan600:
Hi Kat,
Do you have the 'New American Exhaustive Concordance' on esword?
I have the King James concordance on there, but I would be interested in seeing the other one if they make it for esword.
Thanks,
Jason
Kat:
Hi Jason,
No I don't have that one. But here are a couple that may be of interest to you.
Thayer's Greek Definitions ---
soul
G5590
ψυχή
psuchē
Thayer Definition:
1) breath
1a) the breath of life
1a1) the vital force which animates the body and shows itself in breathing
1a1a) of animals
1a1b) of men
1b) life
1c) that in which there is life
1c1) a living being, a living soul
2) the soul
2a) the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions (our heart, soul etc.)
2b) the (human) soul in so far as it is constituted that by the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life
2c) the soul as an essence which differs from the body and is not dissolved by death (distinguished from other parts of the body)
spirit
G4151
πνεῦμα
pneuma
Thayer Definition:
1) the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son
1a) sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his personality and character (the \\Holy\\ Spirit)
1b) sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his work and power (the Spirit of \\Truth\\)
1c) never referred to as a depersonalised force
2) the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated
2a) the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides
2b) the soul
3) a spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least all grosser matter, and possessed of the power of knowing, desiring, deciding, and acting
3a) a life giving spirit
3b) a human soul that has left the body
3c) a spirit higher than man but lower than God, i.e. an angel
3c1) used of demons, or evil spirits, who were conceived as inhabiting the bodies of men
3c2) the spiritual nature of Christ, higher than the highest angels and equal to God, the divine nature of Christ
4) the disposition or influence which fills and governs the soul of any one
4a) the efficient source of any power, affection, emotion, desire, etc.
5) a movement of air (a gentle blast)
5a) of the wind, hence the wind itself
5b) breath of nostrils or mouth
Barnes ---
Piercing even to the dividing asunder - Penetrating so as to divide.
Soul and spirit - The animal life from the immortal soul. The former word here - ψυχή psuchē - “soul” - is evidently used to denote the “animal life,” as distinguished from the mind or soul. The latter word - πνεῦμα pneuma - “spirit” - means the soul; the immaterial and immortal part; what lives when the animal life is extinct. This distinction occurs in 1Th_5:23, “your whole spirit, and soul, and body;” and it is a distinction which we are constantly in the habit of making. There is the body in man - the animal life - and the immortal part that leaves the body when life is extinct. Mysteriously united, they constitute one man. When the animal life is separated from the soul, or when the soul leaves the animated body, the body dies, and life is extinct. To separate the one from the other is, therefore, the same as to take life - and this is the idea here, that the Word of God is like a sharp sword that inflicts deadly wounds. The sinner “dies;” that is, he becomes dead to his former hopes, or is “slain” by the Law; Rom_7:9, “I was alive without the law once, but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.” This is the power referred to here - the power of destroying the hopes of the sinner; cutting him down under conviction; and prostrating him as if a sword had pierced his heart.
Vincent ---
Even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit and of the joints and marrow (ἄρχι μερισμοῦ ψυχῆς καὶ πνεύματος ἁρμῶν τε καὶ μυελῶν)
Μερισμὸς dividing, only here and Heb_2:4, is not to be understood of dividing soul from spirit or joints from marrow. Soul and spirit cannot be said to be separated in any such sense as this, and joints and marrow are not in contact with each other. Μερισμὸς is the act of division; not the point or line of division. Joints and marrow are not to be taken in a literal and material sense. In rendering, construe soul, spirit, joints, marrow, as all dependent on dividing. Joints and marrow (ἁρμῶν, μυελῶν, N.T.o ) are to be taken figuratively as joints and marrow of soul and spirit. This figurative sense is exemplified in classical usage, as Eurip. Hippol. 255, “to form moderate friendships, and not πρὸς ἄρκον μυελὸν ψυχῆς to the deep marrow of the soul.” The conception of depth applied to the soul is on the same figurative line. See Aesch. Agam. 778; Eurip. Bacch. 203. Attempts to explain on any psychological basis are futile. The form of expression is poetical, and signifies that the word penetrates to the inmost recesses of our spiritual being as a sword cuts through the joints and marrow of the body. The separation is not of one part from another, but operates in each department of the spiritual nature. The expression is expanded and defined by the next clause.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
Evan600:
Hi guys,
Thanks for all of your information.
There are some things that those definitions from other scholars that just aren't answering my questions.
The trouble that I'm having goes something like this:
What if someone that believes that others go to 'heaven' when they die, asks me what paradise is?
Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
They use this Scripture, along with where Paul talks about someone going there.
2Co 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)
2Co 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Personally, I don't think that Paul was talking about himself here, but about the thief on the cross.
Anyway, this also brings to mind something about Stephen.
Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
This word is pneuma. This is different than the breath of life, as far as the Septuagint goes. We also know that Jesus' spirit went to God, just like this.
Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
Of course, at the end of this verse, it talks about Christ giving up the ghost. The word that is used here for "gave up the ghost," is only used in the three instances about Jesus dying.
I'm looking for clarification here because I know that I am going to be asked about these different things. That being "paradise" and this "spirit" of man that goes to God.
I would appreciate some Scriptures, rather than definitions from other scholars. Although those were helpful, and I appreciated them.
Thank you for your time!
In Christ,
Jason
phazel:
--- Quote from: Jason on February 21, 2008, 06:09:33 PM ---Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
Of course, at the end of this verse, it talks about Christ giving up the ghost. The word that is used here for "gave up the ghost," is only used in the three instances about Jesus dying.
--- End quote ---
Just a quick note about gave up the ghost.
I am not sure "Ghost" is accurate.
The concordant is worded as follows
Luke 23:46 And shouting with a loud voice, Jesus said, "Father, into Thy hands am I committing My spirit." Now, saying this, He expires.
I have heard non believers who believe in Ghosts use that term to describe someone dying. I suppose from that perspective our body upon death releases our Ghost which various beliefs think all kinds of things about that.
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Jason on February 21, 2008, 06:09:33 PM ---
What if someone that believes that others go to 'heaven' when they die, asks me what paradise is?
Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
--- End quote ---
Paradise
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> Ray...in a past e-mail a woman commented on Jesus going to Paradise after
> his death on the cross, you commented that nowhere does the Bible state
> Jesus was ever in Paradise... Luke 23:43 ..."Assuredly I
> say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise." Either Jesus was in
> Paradise that day or you are stating that Jesus was a liar.
> Amber O'Brien
>
Dear Amber:
That's pretty strong language to accuse me of making Christ a LIAR, Amber.
You are assuming numerous things that are not necessarily Biblical at all.
What is "paradise?" Where is it? Are you sure? Do you have Scriptural proof?
Jesus "DIED" for our sins according to the Scriptures (I Cor. 15:3). And after
Jesus DIED, He was DEAD (a Scriptural and scientific truth denied by most
of Christendom). God the Father raised Jesus 'FROM THE DEAD' (Gal. 1:1),
which is proof that Jesus WAS DEAD! And if He was DEAD in the tomb,
He was not LIVING at some other location called "paradise." Do I also make
the Scriptures LIE when I present these Scriptural truths? If as you suggest,
Jesus was LIVING IN PARADISE on the very day that the Scriptures say Jesus
would be DEAD IN A TOMB, then there is a contradiction, is there not?
There was no punctuation in the original manuscripts from which our modern
language bibles have been translated. Not that punctuation did not exist in
the SPOKEN language, but it was not put into the written language. Hence,
the very placement of a simple comma (,) can totally change the meaning of
statement: Even in speaking, we can place comas and change emphasis.
Example: "What's that up in the road ahead?" Versus: "What's that up in
the road, a head?"
Here is this same verse from a few other translations:
"Verily, to you am I saying today, with Me SHALL YOU BE [at a future time] in paradise"
(Concordant Literal New Testament).
"And he said unto him—Verily, I say unto thee this day: With me, shalt thou be in Paradise"
(Rotherham's Emphasized Bible).
God be with you,
Ray
PS One day I will write a paper on all the Christian nonsense about Jesus taking a trip
to an alfter-life holding pen, where He supposedly preached the gospel to "spirits in prison,"
when He was supposed to be dead in the tomb, paying for the sins of the world, but not today.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4646.0.html
Hi Jason,
Maybe you want to review this article again. http://bible-truths.com/death.htm
His Peace to you,
Joe
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