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lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Mickyd ---What everyone here seems to be overlooking is that "Spiritually" these books fit very well with the rest of the Gospel. The other so-called "Lost Books" do not. Therefore, as far as I'm concerned, they were written by the mind of God.... doesn’t really matter about the human hand holding the quill.
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Another amen, Hallelujah! :D
alucard:
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--- Quote from: alucard ---don't be so quick on your decision.have you ever read any gnostics?i have i don't think there right but they say some compelling things becuase THEY COPY REAL INSPIRED WORDS OF GOD to sound real and most of the episltes just as easily could been made by people that reviewed the real paul epistles
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Yes, I've read several Gnostic works.....I personally don't think our God is evil.
I do however, agree with you on some points. There have been several groups of people to copy Biblical passages into their works and try and pass them off as inspired.
There are also some who believe the books of Matthew and Luke come from the same source document....although this "Q" document has never materialized. I keep waiting on somebody to say that it was among the Dead Sea Scrolls or better yet, locked up in the Vatican archives.
Remember....there are MANY,MANY people out there that will do ANYTHING to discredit the New Testament, and strangely enough, the ones that work at it the hardest are the ones that main stream Christianity support the most. They're just to blind to see it.
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you make good points.yes i know of all the people who try and discredit the NT but what i'm trying to get through are the fakes.earlier you stated that the only one you have a problem with is hebrew.well,it really isn't likely that he wrote that in fact i don't even know why people decided he wrote it doesn't even cliam an author but that doesn't mean we shouldn't use it becuase it belongs with the other episltes in the bible not written by paul,and as i also stated there are fakes episltes that are proven to be fake and they seemed simular to the real epistles in some ways.why i posted this was because i wanted to see if anyone could make good arguments for me to consider and i have gotten some to consider such as:
--- Quote ---Some of the later ones may simply differ in the fact that they were not written by Paul, but were dictated by him. Do not forget the fact that he had a sight problem, which may have gotten worse over time. Some of them may have been written by other at Paul's behalf. So even though the wording and the sentence structure may have changed, it does not mean that Paul was not the author.
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that"s possible and one of yours was a good argument:
--- Quote ---We're talking about 2000 year old writtings here....there is no one alive who knows for sure, and many of the Greek manuscripts are copies of other copies that have been translated from Latin (and other languages) then back into Greek.
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not 100% becuase there might be a way to find out but a good argument.you also have to consider THERE WERE FAKE EPISTLES FORGED IN HIS NAME here's just a few of them:
Third Epistle to the Corinthians (canonical for Armenian Orthodox)
Epistle to the Laodiceans (Roman Catholic apocrypha)
Third Epistle to the Thessalonians
Epistle of the Corinthians to Paul
Epistle to the Ionians
and if we can find the fakes we'll find more truth
EDIT: about that q document i've heard of that i've even got info about it in my files.what really makes it a compelling theory is the gnostic gospel of thomas becuase it contains many sayings as the others, but until such a document is found it remains only a theory.i do have this to say about it though,if such a document is found many more outstanding words of god would be revealed
nightmare sasuke:
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--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke ---John 7:53 and John 8:11 is not Scripture? Never knew that. Do you have any information on it? Where'd it come from?
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you should be able to look any were on the internet and find information about it,you see aparently scribes in the later churches added it to give some more meaningfull stories to the gospel but it's unscriptual.
--- Quote ---please referense from where you copy and paste this information
thanks
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if you don't trust me then here it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Pauline_epistles
plus there are many more websites that give the same information
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Why does Ray quote those Scriptures if they aren't inspired?
alucard:
--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke ---
--- Quote from: alucard ---
--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke ---John 7:53 and John 8:11 is not Scripture? Never knew that. Do you have any information on it? Where'd it come from?
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you should be able to look any were on the internet and find information about it,you see aparently scribes in the later churches added it to give some more meaningfull stories to the gospel but it's unscriptual.
--- Quote ---please referense from where you copy and paste this information
thanks
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if you don't trust me then here it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Pauline_epistles
plus there are many more websites that give the same information
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Why does Ray quote those Scriptures if they aren't inspired?
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well...he probly didn't know,i think he knows now,but i brought this one up specificly becuase he wrote a long passage on it and showing himself reading it spiritualy and the point i was trying to make is that anyone can be fooled by false scripture becuase some can really be sound inspirational and inspiried by real scripture.
NOTE:you can go here to get arguments for and against it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pericope_Adulter%C3%A6
but other sites just say it's fake plus the what little argument is for it is not very good.
ANOTHER NOTE: apparently corinthians 14:34-35 may not be original either i'm not sure yet but i'm checking and i'll tell you if i find anything,if it's not original it will probaly start a good bit of debating.
EDIT:this ones a little difficult but here's a good site people can view to know what i'm talking about with corinthians. http://www.helpmewithbiblestudy.org/3e/1o/O_women_quiet1.htm
EDITED: for some spelling & correction
nightmare sasuke:
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--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke ---
--- Quote from: alucard ---
--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke ---John 7:53 and John 8:11 is not Scripture? Never knew that. Do you have any information on it? Where'd it come from?
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you should be able to look any were on the internet and find information about it,you see aparently scribes in the later churches added it to give some more meaningfull stories to the gospel but it's unscriptual.
--- Quote ---please referense from where you copy and paste this information
thanks
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if you don't trust me then here it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Pauline_epistles
plus there are many more websites that give the same information
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Why does Ray quote those Scriptures if they aren't inspired?
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well...he probly didn't know,i think he knows know,but i brought this one up specificly becuase he wrote a long passage on it and showing himself reading it spiritualy and the point i was trying to make is that anyone can be fooled by false scripture becuase some can really be inspirational.
NOTE:you can go here to get arguments for and against it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pericope_Adulter%C3%A6
but other sites just say it's fake plus the what little argument is for it is not very good.
ANOTHER NOTE: apparently corinthians 14:34-35 may not be original either i'm not sure yet but i'm checking and i'll tell you if i find anything,if it's not original it will probaly start a good bit of debating.
EDIT:this ones a little difficult but here's a good site people can view to know what i'm talking about with corinthians. http://www.helpmewithbiblestudy.org/3e/1o/O_women_quiet1.htm
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Tell me if you do, I'm interested.
Do you have AIM? If so, add me: nightmare sasuke.
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