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alucard:
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--- Quote from: alucard ---hillsbororiver i can see why your a moderator you really have an eye for things.but just wondering what is your take on this topic?i'm sure you have your on opinion and with someone that seems to be very wise in scripture i'd like to see your take on this.
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Hi alucard, thank you for the kind words, I am a student of His Word like most everyone else.
I wish I had a good answer for you, these scholarly statements by men with a bunch of letters behind their names leaves me cold, I have watched the History Channel's "experts" as well as A&E go on and on about "explaining what REALLY happened" and it used to frustrate me no end. Now that I realize they are thinking carnally and don't really know (spiritually) what they are doing, it no longer bothers me.
Leave it in God's hands, he will reveal to us what He will in His time, seek Him with a humble spirit and He will answer.
Truly, I wish I had a better answer in regard to your specific question but it would be supposition with no weight or meat.
Joe
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alright right then.thanks for your opinion and to anyone else reading this i have done many hours of research on my own but if any of you have info that you think i don't have i wouldn't mind reading it.
now i will close with a statment with what revelation22:21 really is suppose to say:
"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with all of the saints. Amen."
NOTE:Romans 1:7 incorrectly has the italicized words "to be." The fact is, Christians are now saints.So that goes to all the true christians
Harryfeat:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver ---Hello again feat,
I did not say I was "confused" I said your post had "a confusing train of thought" not a subtle difference. Your post claimed "we do not know the true nature of God" but yet you state your complete love of Him.
feat, I think we agree on more than we disagree, the only reason I am being a stickler here is for the same reason I stated to alucard earlier in the thread, we as moderators and members have to keep in mind the folks who are guests to the forum who are visiting because of what they read on BibleTruths by Ray or Mike. When statements are posted that seem to contradict their articles it can breed confusion, I hope you understand.
Peace Brother,
Joe
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Joe, there is also no subtle difference between saying our complete love is what is important as opposed to I have achieved complete love. You seem to have read more into what I have written than what is there.
Thanks for pointing out the train of thought that seemed confusing to you. I was not aware that any of my opinions expressed here were contradictory to those on BT. I understand your need to clarify when that occurs.
Thanks again
feat
Mickyd:
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We all should be very careful of what we post, keeping in mind that there are only about 30 frequent posters (at any given time), hundreds that read and rarely post and thousands who visit here directly after just discovering Ray's articles, let us not confuse them with supposition and links to unscriptural writings.
Joe
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I agree totally Joe.
This was bothering me greatly. Many who come here are struggling with their faith and looking for encouragement and fellowship. We should all focus on that.
alucard:
--- Quote from: bobbys43 ---This has been a very good thread and I will have to agree with Joe that many read here but do not post and they are learning as well as I am learning and I find that I try to keep my mind focused on what the word of God says.
Nothing in this life happens without God and he has a purpose or plan for everything wether written or done or spoken.
I too Joe use to watch these so called theologeans and bible scholars give their take or opinion on the scriptures of God and I too would get upset at some of the things they would say or try to refute! It all seemed so cold and meaningless! I too was guilty of the very same thing and relying on the wisdom of man instead of the wisdom of God before I came to the bible truths through God's Spirit! The thing is even when I would watch those bible shows at that time I was as far away from the truths of God! And yet I did not agree then with some of the things that they tried to proclaim as the real truth! Theroies,speculation and the like even then did not sit right with me personally!
I have come to find out that even trying to watch or read this garbage no longer makes me angry but I see that just how ignorant these scholars are compared to the God given knowledge that the Spirit puts and teaches in many of us here at the forum and for those watching also.
I know longer read or watch any of this for I feel that seeking God and studing His word that in His time he will reveal these things to me!It is the knowledge that God is and will continue to give me and I have to trust and rely on Him to make that known to me! I must trust God to lead and direct me in His teaching me and the flesh,mine, wants all the knowledge right now and I pray God will give me patient and help me to be still and let Him do the guiding!
Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
Matthew 6:33-34 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
Matthew 7:7-8 Ask and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh recieveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
bobby
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you've got your mind in the right place bobby.the reason i question some scriptures is for many reasons.one is becuase so many ungodly scriptures almost made in all the bibles but didn't just becuase they couldn't find a place for as i stated they tried to put the bible as a story from begining to end.i think that that gnostic genesis story would be in it but they didn't want two beginings especially if they weren't beside each other.another one was about mary being born of a virgin without original sin that would be in the bibles new testament but they wanted to get straight to jesus and after that there wasn't a place for it,and something i thought was strange is how one of pauls later episltes would get really specific about his past writtings as in saying this is what that really meant.one thing that gets me is is the place for women.ray and mike are right to a certian degree,also for people reading this is my on personal opinion,but you can't tell me people didn't at least mess with the originals concerning the place for a woman in church.in the past people really didn't like women being leaders of anything in fact later paintings of women leaders would have their eyes carved out, plus a point of enterest :
Corinthians 11:3: "...Christ is the head of every man, and a husband the head of his wife, and the head of Christ is God. (NIV)" Conservative Christians often quote this passage as proof that a husband should retain full authority over his wife in family matters. This concept of women being in an inferior power position might logically be extended to the church organization as well. Some liberal Christians note that the Greek word translated "head" is "kephale", which can be interpreted in two ways: "having authority over," or alternatively "source" or "origin." Looking at verses 3 to 12, each interpretation looks equally valid. The former would support rejection of women in positions of authority; the latter would not.
also in I Timothy 3:2 and Titus 1:6, which deal with the qualities of elders, the original RSV (1946) read, "married only once." Because this was greatly criticized, they changed it in later versions to read, "the husband of one wife."
not that i'm saying everything mentioned in the episltes about women isn't true just that people tried to make them seem lower than they were when it seems they should have been more equal.paul even acknowlegded women church leaders Paul is accompanied by house-church leaders Priscilla and Aquila. Priscilla, a female, is a dominant figure in Paul's ministry and leads over Aquila.and most of the questionable episltes seem to make men look as their in much higher power .
And the biggest thing that gets to me is the fact that there were many other fake episltes forged in his name.
Mickyd:
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Corinthians 11:3: "...Christ is the head of every man, and a husband the head of his wife, and the head of Christ is God. (NIV)" Conservative Christians often quote this passage as proof that a husband should retain full authority over his wife in family matters. This concept of women being in an inferior power position might logically be extended to the church organization as well. Some liberal Christians note that the Greek word translated "head" is "kephale", which can be interpreted in two ways: "having authority over," or alternatively "source" or "origin." Looking at verses 3 to 12, each interpretation looks equally valid. The former would support rejection of women in positions of authority; the latter would not.
also in I Timothy 3:2 and Titus 1:6, which deal with the qualities of elders, the original RSV (1946) read, "married only once." Because this was greatly criticized, they changed it in later versions to read, "the husband of one wife."
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The problem is that too many of those in leadership positions in the Church can do nothing but think in carnal terms.
Corinthians 11:3: "...Christ is the head of every man, and a husband the head of his wife, and the head of Christ is God. (NIV)"
You also seem to think that this is refering to marrage between a man and a woman....it is not.
Christ is the head of every man (Meaning mankind) and a husband the head of his wife (Christ is the husband of the Church...the Church being the woman) and the head of Christ is God.
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