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Deborah-Leigh:
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hello I just thought I would not waste my time debating with you since I can see that many others have already done so. just to let you know
2Ti 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,
2Ti 4:4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
You my enemy and Son of Satan are one of those teachers who with convincing words and plausible arguments are subverting the souls of people to believe you lies. You say you left the last church you were in but if you showed up in my church preaching your lies and false doctrine I would have kicked you out and told you not to come back as I am sure most other churches who have any common sense and biblical standards would have done. So as long as you chose to tickle peoples ears with Universal salvation and all the other refuse that pours out of your mind onto these pages don't think that any bible believing spirit filled church would even consider letting you pass though their doors to spill you putrid vomit from the pit of where you shall spend eternity unless you repent.
 
Brian
Ps dont bother writing back unless you want to waste your time.

 
So Brian, why don't you tell us how you really feel about me?
Ray

We can not feel the way this fellow feels who wrote to Ray because we know something he does not know and we believe something he does not believe. We know and believe God and that HE will save all. We also know that we are the Beast and now we are building our house on the corner stone that is Christ. I believe that is why we are here in this Forum.

 Isaiah 6 : 1-5 When Isaiah saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, he cried out "Woe is me! For I am undone and ruined,because I am a man of unclean lips" and Job experienced the same contrast by comparison "...but now my eye sees You.  THEREFORE I loathe and abhor myself and repent in dust and ashes...Job 42: 5,6

The people who hate, slander, abuse and persecute are those who have not encountered God and do not know Him or His Power yet. Like Paul who was given to experience and manifest deep seated hatred against Christ, he too met with Christ and only then received his change of heart and mind. After that Paul was never sure of himself again.

I am beginning to see that there are indeed two groups. The Beast and Christ. Anything in between is in transition towards either Christ or the Beast and no one can be going in two directions at the same time. Only Christ can turn anyone into the opposite direction to Damascus!

Peace to you my brethren

Arcturus :)

dogcombat:
True, True Indeed Arc!

Ches

Deborah-Leigh:

Even as we answer or refute or expose a lying two faced hypocrite, we can not FEEL like they do because we know they will be saved and converted too! So why should we feel any higher, holier or more worthy than them when we came from the same place they are still in?

They feel real hate and joy that we will be in torment for ever in " Hell" but we know that this is a lie. We know they will be saved all will be corrected and that we are all exactly where God means for us to be.

Peace to you Ches

Arcturus :)

rjsurfs:
I found this email particularly saddening... but hopeful.

About 15 years ago I had the opportunity to work with alcoholics and various type of addicts in recovery.  I recall this same type of defensive hate language come from their mouths... defending their behaviour and their delusional belief system.  This is not an example of indifference... this person has a lot of feeling behind his email.

I believe that people like this Brian may not be as lost as first appears... but one who is beginning to realize his house is built on sand... whose walls are shaking and about to collapse.  I believe people like this are in fear because everything they have believed and held faith in is coming undone.  This email sent to Ray is obviously one sent not to correct but to lash out with hate against the truth that hurts so badly.

My hope is that the truth will continue to eat at this Brian until he is forced out of Bablyon... for what a painful place to be, to sit knowingly under such false teachings as those of Babylon.

Bobby

Deborah-Leigh:
I see the hope in what you observe Bobby quote : This email sent to Ray is obviously one sent not to correct but to lash out with hate against the truth that hurts so badly.

I have experienced that repentance is at first painful because it brings me to acknowledge my failings, weakness and liability to temptation and then to accept because of Gods Grace, my total dependence on God. This is a major turn around possible only by the Spirit of Christ. Eph 5 : 29 For no man ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and carefully protects and cherishes it....

To die daily is not a self sustaining act but a Spirit of Christ action within. It is a process. It is Gods own work.

There for the Grace of God we go. :) and like you, I too hope that repentance comes swiftly to those in darkness. The sooner we all come to realize we are the Beast, repent and be converted, the sooner we will be set free and come to know and be acquainted with the Truth and Good News of the Kingdom of God. These are the feelings of the Disciple of Christ who longs for the Presence and return of Christ and looks for that event compaired to the feelings of the Antichrist who longs to exterminate, assign to eternal damnation and punish forever the Disciple! Hence the difference in the feelings between these two.

It will take a Merciful God and a Powerful Sovereign God to make straight the crooked paths and HE will accomplish all of His Will to do so! 8) There is so much to look forward to in the return of Christ.

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

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