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mharrell08:
--- Quote from: yayjesus04 on February 27, 2008, 04:35:38 PM ---you gave me scrpture on being a wife...not a pastor
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The scripture I gave you was on deacons and overseers aka pastors & preachers...a pastor or preacher is an overseer correct? And the scripture states that one is to be a husband to one wife. So in turn, they would conclude a man since woman do not have wives.
David:
1 Timothy 2:11-12 KJV Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
NIV 11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
NKJV 11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. 12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
NLT 11 Women should learn quietly and submissively. 12 I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly.
ESV 11Let a woman learn quietly(T) with all submissiveness. 12(U) I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
ASV 11 Let a woman learn in quietness with all subjection.
12 But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.
1 Timothy 3 :1 This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop,[a] he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); 6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
episkopos
ep-is'-kop-os
From G1909 and G4649 (in the sense of G1983); a superintendent, that is, Christian officer in general charge of a (or the) church (literally or figuratively): - bishop, overseer.
poimēn
poy-mane'
Of uncertain affinity; a shepherd (literally or figuratively): - shepherd, pastor.
The role of a senior pastor in a Church is that of Shepherd, it his duty to teach. Paul ties the words Pastors and teachers as almost one in the same, part of the same train of thought.
Epheisans 4;11 11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
Notice here how Paul separates the words apostles, prophets and evangelists, yet pastors and teachers are tied in the same phrase as one in the same. Pastors teach, preach to, and shepherd their congregation.
Hopefully these scriptures will help you.
Samson:
Hello Everyone,
This is a subject in which I venture minimally, it looks as if David has covered the scriptures quite thoroughly that pertain to the issue at hand. I will only add some information relating to the Greek words Diakonos and Diakonoi, realizing this doesn't pertain to overseers(Episkopos-Bishop) or Presbyter(Older man or Elder), mislanslated Priest. Diakonos(Minister in a non-technical sense) literally means " one who is dusty from running in the service of others". EXP-Rom.16:1(Phoebe); 2Cor.3:6(ministers of a covenant). Diakanoi(Deacon or Servant) means Assistants to the Overseers(Episcopos) and Elders(Presbyters) in aiding the congregation in a technical sense. EXP-1Tim.3:1-10(Qualifications of a Deacon) and mentions being a Husband of one Wife(verse 2). Apparently their isn't anything more to contribute to this Thread, since most of it was already covered.
Your brother in Christ, Samson
psalmsinger:
Some scriptures show God's approval of his daughters and handmaidens to "prophesy" 4395 propheteuo (prof-ate-yoo'-o); from 4396; to foretell events, divine, speak under inspiration, exercise the prophetic office: KJV-- prophesy. Whether God would have the female speak with inspiration is His working and not ours:)
Mary spoke with great inspiration in Luke 1:46-55, (as well as Elizabeth). Other than John, those who were with Jesus at the cruxifixion were women. There are several other outstanding women of inspiration and authority mentioned in the scriptures that God found favor with. To be a pastor, teacher, or hold any office is God ordained. True men of God will know who God has chosen without respect of persons and as noted, the scriptures give great examples. Who would want to be in any position of leadership in the churches of Babylon where you have to subscribe to a traditional belief system and where there would be no one able to discern who God has truly chosen at all?
Acts 21:8-9
8 And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.
9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.(KJV)
Acts 2:17-18
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:(KJV)
Rest in the Lord.....wait patiently for Him,
Barbara
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: psalmsinger on February 28, 2008, 07:26:42 AM ---Some scriptures show God's approval of his daughters and handmaidens to "prophesy" 4395 propheteuo (prof-ate-yoo'-o); from 4396; to foretell events, divine, speak under inspiration, exercise the prophetic office: KJV-- prophesy. Whether God would have the female speak with inspiration is His working and not ours:)
Mary spoke with great inspiration in Luke 1:46-55, (as well as Elizabeth). Other than John, those who were with Jesus at the cruxifixion were women. There are several other outstanding women of inspiration and authority mentioned in the scriptures that God found favor with. To be a pastor, teacher, or hold any office is God ordained. True men of God will know who God has chosen without respect of persons and as noted, the scriptures give great examples. Who would want to be in any position of leadership in the churches of Babylon where you have to subscribe to a traditional belief system and where there would be no one able to discern who God has truly chosen at all?
Acts 21:8-9
8 And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.
9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.(KJV)
Acts 2:17-18
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:(KJV)
Rest in the Lord.....wait patiently for Him,
Barbara
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Is a women prophesying the same as being a bishop or a pastor? I didn't see that in the epistles that Paul wrote on being a bishop or pastor. He stated a husband of one wife. Paul was not encouraging one to be an overseer in a corrupt church system but as one over true believers. Paul didn't talk about an overseer for nothing or in vain. Obviously it had some kind of importance.
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