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Kat:
Here are a couple of emails on this subject.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2144.0.html -----
The answer is quote simple:
"IN CHRIST" there is no "male or female." But, IN THE FLESH there still is male and female, otherwise homosexuality would not be a sin. Can you see how silly that approach to this Scripture would be?
We are still in physical bodies and we are still male and female, and as such the man is the head of the woman just as Jesus is the head of the Church. And as such, Paul did not permit women to preach or teach in the congregation. However, there are many situation in which women can teach: to their children (both girls and boys); on the telephone, in letters, in group discussions, etc. I believe their teaching is just pretty much limited in the area of not getting in front of an assembly of men and women and being featured as the main speaker or teacher. Not that she might not be able or qualified, but rather it is a matter of subjection to authority. I have never done a long study on this subject, but I have read several papers by those who have, and most of them are shot through with theological holes.
God be with you,
Ray
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2018.0.html -------
Dear Mr. Jackson:
Certainly women are able to declare God's Truth, as you state. It is also true that those baptized into Christ are, "...neither male nor female...IN CHRIST." (Gal. 2:27-28). But we are also still IN THE FLESH, and in the flesh, we are indeed male and female. If the statement that IN Christ there is no "difference" between male and female, then homosexuality would be perfectly fine. Can you not see the problem here with thinking like that?
When Paul instructed the early Church that women were to keep silent in the Church, it was not just a "Jewish custom and tradition." Here is another declaration from Paul concerning men and women still in the flesh: "But I would have you know, that the Head of every man is Christ, and the HEAD OF THE WOMAN IS THE MAN; and the Head of Christ is God" (I Cor. 11:3). This statement is not "custom and tradition.
When Paul says: "Let your women keep silence in the churches...." (I Cor. 14:34) it is not custom or tradition, but rather "...the things I write unto you are the COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD" (Verse 37).
Also understand that women are no some inferior species that will be absorbed into the male species. Yes, both are called "the sons [some times children[ of God," but this is often used as is "Adam" and "man" in the Genesis when really referring to "humanity" in the Hebrew.
When God "receives us unto Himself," are we all "males?" "Masculine?"
Notice what the Scripture tells us: "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be My sons AND DAUGHTERS, says the Lord Almighty" (II Cor. 6:18).
God be with you,
Ray
p.s. But for the reasons of authority mentioned above and other reasons too numerous to cover in an email, God has ordained that women are not to be the teachers in formal meetings of the congregations.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
mharrell08:
That's exactly what I was thinking and attempting to state...thanks for the emails Kat
David:
Just to clarify, I was sticking strictly to the question asked about a woman in the role of a Senior Pastor and hopefully providing scripture that pertained to that issue.
I see nothing in scripture which would disalow or stop women as evengelists or prophets. It was Mary who'm our Lord chose to reveal himself to and to report the good news that our Lord and Savior is risen. In each Gospel account it is the Women who are first aware of Christs resurrection, and it is the Women who are instructed by the Angel and the men in white and shining garments at the tomb, and by Jesus Christ himself to take the good news to his disciples. If Christ had not intended for Women to have a fully active role in spreading the Gospel, then this would not be so. However, it is men that are commitioned with the role of Bishopry, Pastors, teachers and eldership in the Church.
Pauls instructions to me seem to pertain strictly to Womens role in the Church and in the home.
psalmsinger:
Certainly there is a difference in leadership, authority, and spiritual gifts:) Why would anyone desire to be in a position of authority when there are more charitable paths to follow? Man does appoint women to the ministry in some traditional churches. Some desire to be in authority over those belief systems, believing their own desire to be the Lord's calling. The will of the Lord for His purpose, I suppose..........................He is working His perfect love in so many ways that we do not understand. Is this website a local congregation?
43951 Cor 14:1
1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
(KJV)
Rest in the Lord,
Barbara
Is a women prophesying the same as being a bishop or a pastor? I didn't see that in the epistles that Paul wrote on being a bishop or pastor. He stated a husband of one wife. Paul was not encouraging one to be an overseer in a corrupt church system but as one over true believers. Paul didn't talk about an overseer for nothing or in vain. Obviously it had some kind of importance.
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Bradigans:
In Christ (THE TRUE CHURCH), we're all ministers.
- 1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
- Galatians 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
If you get a chance, read the whole chapter 12 of 1st Corinthians about the hand, the feet, the ears, and the eyes. In this world, we (THE TRUE CHURCH) are extensions of Christ as members of His body wired by and through the His Holy Spirit.
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