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This has to be said.
Deborah-Leigh:
...mharrell08 I second that and add wo what Musicman notes....and they have also to repent of ever having believed blasphemous thourghs against God :D
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
Hunter:
I think some of you have turned scripture into a pretentious, smug game. Jesus Christ has never endorsed that... and now, you've become what you chose to rebuke: Pharisees.
There is no debating you, because you're like mules... stubborn to a horrible fault.
I spend a lot of time on Bibletruths reading Ray's papers. Do I disagree with any of them? Not yet! Do I think the "no free will" doctrine IS without substance when you miss its implications? Yes. Because implication is everything.
Don't see this as an opening to treat me like I'm ignorant. The only ignorance I've seen from anyone comes from other posters... ignorance of what they are.
Sorin:
--- Quote from: Hunter on February 28, 2008, 08:51:43 PM ---I think some of you have turned scripture into a pretentious, smug game. Jesus Christ has never endorsed that... and now, you've become what you chose to rebuke: Pharisees.
There is no debating you, because you're like mules... stubborn to a horrible fault.
I spend a lot of time on Bibletruths reading Ray's papers. Do I disagree with any of them? Not yet! Do I think the "no free will" doctrine IS without substance when you miss its implications? Yes. Because implication is everything.
Don't see this as an opening to treat me like I'm ignorant. The only ignorance I've seen from anyone comes from other posters... ignorance of what they are.
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LS? Or PMS?
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: Hunter on February 28, 2008, 02:41:39 AM ---God is sovereign!
When I read the Bible, the lack of free will of humanity is only used to clarify events. By itself, it is an empty doctrine without substance.
We do what we do because God willed it. Okay. Now what?
See what I mean?
We weren't meant to fixate on the lack of free will in and of itself, because that's empty... it leads nowhere. The point is that events have a purpose. Nothing that has passed was in vain. That's the thing that matters.
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I don't think new people fixate on free will without cause. It is the most difficult doctrine to come to grips with. If you quickly got it and understood it, then you are blessed. But it took me years.
IMO, most on this forum still do not have a deep conviction about free will. They understand intellectually, but what they really want is to really believe and trust God. They want that freedom to "not worry about anything" brings.
You got it, so what's the big deal you say. Why doesn't everyone get it? It's so simple.
But we're all on different paths and for some it's God's will that they dig deep.
It's not right to say other peoples struggles are empty and lead nowhere.
Dennis
Hunter:
--- Quote from: Sorin on February 28, 2008, 09:35:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: Hunter on February 28, 2008, 08:51:43 PM ---I think some of you have turned scripture into a pretentious, smug game. Jesus Christ has never endorsed that... and now, you've become what you chose to rebuke: Pharisees.
There is no debating you, because you're like mules... stubborn to a horrible fault.
I spend a lot of time on Bibletruths reading Ray's papers. Do I disagree with any of them? Not yet! Do I think the "no free will" doctrine IS without substance when you miss its implications? Yes. Because implication is everything.
Don't see this as an opening to treat me like I'm ignorant. The only ignorance I've seen from anyone comes from other posters... ignorance of what they are.
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LS? Or PMS?
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That's the second time you've had nothing to contribute. What's that like, Sorn? :)
--- Quote ---I don't think new people fixate on free will without cause. It is the most difficult doctrine to come to grips with. If you quickly got it and understood it, then you are blessed. But it took me years.
IMO, most on this forum still do not have a deep conviction about free will. They understand intellectually, but what they really want is to really believe and trust God. They want that freedom to "not worry about anything" brings.
You got it, so what's the big deal you say. Why doesn't everyone get it? It's so simple.
But we're all on different paths and for some it's God's will that they dig deep.
It's not right to say other peoples struggles are empty and lead nowhere.
Dennis
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I believe selfishness plays into it. They have to overcome the baby trend of "I don't have free will." And repeat it incessantly to try to make everything about them. Also . . . they feel like something has been taken from them. It's hard for some when they wake up one morning and find they wasted years of their life, all the while having owned nothing, including their free will.
It's quite beatiful.
But it's not that "I don't have free will", it's that "GOD is sovereign."
The magnetism of Ray's teachings to some is another indulgance of that baby behavior. That's why God has to spank their bottoms. ;)
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