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Matthew 7:13
hillsbororiver:
Hi again,
I think it is safe to say that the gate to destruction (G684) leads to the White Throne Judgment and the Lake of Fire;
G684
ἀπώλεια
apōleia
ap-o'-li-a
From a presumed derivative of G622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal): - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
I think Chuck touched on a key earlier in the thread;
--- Quote from: chuckt on March 03, 2008, 06:01:24 AM ---
how many truley open the door and expereince Christ in the flesh?
God bless
chuckt
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Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Joh 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
phazel:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on March 03, 2008, 06:26:19 PM ---Hi again,
I think it is safe to say that the gate to destruction (G684) leads to the White Throne Judgment and the Lake of Fire;
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Mainly what I believe is not in disagreement with most of what everyone is saying. What I am saying is that I do not see Jesus "AS" the narrow gate itself, but it is one path "TO" Jesus. The path of WIDE gate, I agree probably would take "the called" to where you say, but this path or "process" will have to go to Jesus as well. Am I wrong?
If the called and the chosen must all go through Jesus to the father, then Jesus cannot be the "narrow gate" itself.
I am looking at words of Matthew 7:13 and saying that the words "Enter in" and "Entering in" are talking about both paths entering into "Jesus".
I apologize if my initial post was too vague.
hillsbororiver:
Hi Phazel,
I think I understand your point now, the door or gate which could very well be Jesus is the way of His elect as they enter into the Kingdom but after the elect are changed into immortality and incorruptable it is the elect (through the initial power of Christ that is indwelling in them) that reaps the Fall Harvest bringing the rest of creation into the Kingdom.
Yes all (or both) paths lead to Christ but the wide one takes a detour through the LOF.
His Peace to you Brother,
Joe
Linny:
I understand what you are saying Phazel. I don't think you were vague. I am not sure I "see" what you see but it does make sense to me. I'd need to study it more.
I did a word study recently on the word "destruction" because it seems to be used to mean "going to hell."
Destruction had several meanings depending on the verse it was used in and the following were all the meanings which show that "going to hell to be tortured forever" was never one of them.
"Spiritual loss"
"complete ruin"
"extinction" -this one was used twice regarding how the Lord saves us from extinction.
"Punishment"
It helped me a lot to re-read all those Scriptures using the correct meanings rather than the one that was burned into me to mean going to hell.
jerreye:
I think Phazel has a good point. I saw what he saw many months ago. The "narrow" gate is for those who have Christ now, namely the elect. The broad gate is the OTHER path that will eventually lead to Christ, albeit, through the LOF. Both paths will eventually lead to the SAME PLACE, which is Christ. We either judge ourselves NOW and enter the narrow gate, or BE judged later, with the rest of the world and enter the broad gate. Either way, you are going to end up at Christ!
This is how I see it. ;D
Jeremy
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