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Matthew 7:13
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Phazel
As with all the parables. They are one.
They say the same thing that there are the called and the chosen, the many and the few and this simply lights up again in book of Matthew and the book of Luke.
Is Jesus saying in Luke that few will enter in and few will be given the strength? I think so. To these few, there is no mention that they will die. Jesus says that the MANY who enter in through the broad way, THEY will experience death.
In Luke, Jesus says many are labouring to enter in via the narrow gate but they will not have the STRENGTH. He does not say these will DIE. He says they do not have the STRENGHT and will not succeed in entering in via the narrow gate.
Will they die for having tried and not succeeding? Or will they be saved? I think they will be saved and rewarded for trying. As for those who went by the broad way...well Jesus is quite clear. Their end is Death and they will perish and be raised again to judgment at the White Throne.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Kat:
Hi Phazel,
I see your point. It is true that one day all things (beings both human and spirit) will be subject to God.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
I think Matt. 7:13 is also, as Arcturus was saying, is showing the difference of the called and the chosen, now in this age :)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
David:
Hi Phazel. I don't see this as meaning the same path. One is to Christ, the other destruction. True, those going into destruction will eventually be brought into Christ, but I see them as totally serparate gates/paths.
hillsbororiver:
As Arcturus and Kat stated all the parables proclaim the same message, (many called, few chosen);
Mark 4
13And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?
Matthew 13
3And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mark 4
3Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow:
4And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up.
5And some fell on stony ground, where it had not much earth; and immediately it sprang up, because it had no depth of earth:
6But when the sun was up, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away.
7And some fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up, and choked it, and it yielded no fruit.
8And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some thirty, and some sixty, and some an hundred.
9And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Luke 8
5A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.
6And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.
7And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.
8And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
The parables do compliment and explain each other like the parable of the sewer does here expanding on the narrow path. As you can "see" above much seed is scattered or sewn but it dwindles as some return to their old ways or are engulfed in false doctrines, some with a hardened heart lose interest as they realize the love of the world and the Love of our Lord is incompatible, others cannot endure the trials and tribulations that are required of His people.
Through this process the many become the few;
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
phazel:
--- Quote from: David on March 03, 2008, 05:43:14 PM ---Hi Phazel. I don't see this as meaning the same path. One is to Christ, the other destruction. True, those going into destruction will eventually be brought into Christ, but I see them as totally serparate gates/paths.
--- End quote ---
I never said the same "path".
No intended offense to anyone but everyone so far has seen something in my post that I never said.
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