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Matthew 7:13
chuckt:
--- Quote from: phazel on March 02, 2008, 06:53:51 PM ---
I was contemplating this verse and paying attention to the words.
Matthew 7:13 "Enter through the cramped gate, for broad is the gate and spacious is the way which is leading away into destruction, and many are those entering through it.
If we really look close it is saying the ways to enter the same place.
The first part of the verse says "Enter through" The last of the verse says "entering through it"
It is assumed that hell is the other place, but that is adding to the word of God. So, if we just look at the words, this one verse is showing ways to enter the same place.
So then we may ask, what gets destroyed? I think we find yet another contradiction of the doctrine of hell.
The path to destruction cannot be hell, as nothing is destroyed there as we are told. Anyone there is alive and aware of whatever hell is and cannot be destroyed but having pain and suffering forever.
Thoughts anyone?
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christians always use this verse to refer to the ""afterlife"" when one follows the subject we see all surrounding text to be in present tense form.
the life i was leading was a life of destruction, and the ways of this world and the gods of this world lead to destruction NOW.
how many truley open the door and expereince Christ in the flesh?
God bless
chuckt
Kat:
Hi Phazel,
Jesus Christ is the one and only way to the narrow - cramped - strait gate.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
All went the way to destruction. Only when God dragged us to Jesus "the strait gate" did we turn.
Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
v. 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
v. 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
v. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
v. 13 Their throat is an open sepulcher; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
v. 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
v. 15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
v. 16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
v. 17 And the way of peace have they not known:
v. 18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
phazel:
I realize I am just picking one verse to contemplate and I am not trying to say that we bypass Jesus through the wide gate. I am just seeing two paths and that through those paths we end up at the same place.
The verse
Matthew 7:13 "Enter through the cramped gate, for broad is the gate and spacious is the way which is leading away into destruction, and many are those entering through it.
from scripture4all.org the last part "and many are the ones into coming thru her" Coming thru to where? I think coming to Christ is what is meant.
in the beginning of the verse it says "enter through" but it is not specific in the verse to what your entering. the ending of the verse implys you end up at the same place you have just had to take a different path because the ending of the verse says the same as the beginning. "Entering through it"
We will not enter into hell through the wide gate and that is what Christians will specify, they will say it is two gates, the gates of heaven (narrow) the gates of hell (wide).
I think the gates possibly are the path to Jesus, not Jesus being the narrow gate itself.
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Phazel
We have to compare spiritual things with spiritual. This is one of the tools to come to understand the word of God. We use this tool together with the knowledge that the scriptures are not of any private interpretation.
Here are the two scriptures to compare.
Matt 7 : 13 Go in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leads to death.
Luke 13 : 24 Labor to enter in through the narrow gate; for I say to you that many will seek to enter in, and will not have strength.
When we hold up these two scriptures and compare them against the doctrine of the MYTH of Free Will, it becomes pretty easy to see who is in charge of who is chosen and who is called.
Peace to you brother
Arcturus :)
phazel:
I also was not suggesting that we have free will or doubting who is in charge. I am saying that I see matthew 7:13 describing the two ways we will get to Jesus by showing they both "enter into" the same place, which I see that being Jesus Christ,
Isn't the narrow gate those who have been dragged by God in such a manner as they will not need to pass through the Lake of Fire?
Isn't the wide gate those who have to pass through the Lake of fire? Aren't both of these paths "before" coming to Christ?
If Christ is where ALL mankind end up. Then I am only saying that Matthew 7:13 is saying the two paths enter the same place, but they are different paths. Because of the wording I do not see christ as the Narrow gate, or everyone eventually passes through the Narrow gate.
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