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The "saviors"
hillsbororiver:
I ran across a couple of verses from the OT that appear to be prophesying the elect as part of the salvation process in the age to come.
Neh 9:27 Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviors, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.
Oba 1:21 And saviors shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD's.
I also was struck by "thy manifold mercies" which is underlined in Hosea giving us a glimpse into the mind of God, the exact opposite of what is being taught in the mainstream denominations.
Hos 6:6 For I desired mercy and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Peace,
Joe
Kat:
Hi Joe,
That is such an amazing thought, that Christ is preparing those few in this world to reign with Him as saviors of the rest of the world.
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That’s the gospel. Jesus Christ was appointed for that thing, to be the judge of the quick and the dead and as Christ is so are we. Guess what? We are to judge the world. Well of course, we are going to rule them with a rod of iron. That is how we are going to start out in the kingdom of God on this earth, over the nations of the world, in what’s called the millennium or the thousand year reign.
Rom 8:22 And we know that the whole creation groans and travails in pain together until now.
The whole world. If you have any doubts about that, just turn on the evening news. If it’s not the weather; the hurricanes, the earthquakes, then it’s wars and terrorist. Now they are burning down Paris, for eight days straight. This is always been the condition of the world. They say the history of mankind is a chronicle of wars. Man is either in war, coming out of war or preparing for the next war.
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creation waits…
This whole world, this whole creation is groaning and travailing in pain. Is waiting for what?
Rom 8:19 …for the manifestation of the sons of God.
That’s us, the sons of God or the kingdom of God. They are the heavens in which the Spirit of God dwells and will rule the nations.
Obadiah 1:21 And saviors shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mountain of Esau (this is them); and the kingdom shall be the Lord’s.
The “saviors” are going to rule from mount Zion, not over there in that ugly swill of a city called Jerusalem. But from spiritual mount Zion. He is going to rule “them,” Esau is them, “and the kingdom shall be the Lord’s.” What kingdom? The kingdom of what, in this context? Kingdom of saviors, plural saviors. Who are these saviors? That’s us, we’re saviors. Well this sounds a little odd, I mean we’re saying we’re going to be the saviors of the world. Well we do have a leader though, King of kings, Lord of lords, Savior of saviors and Son of sons. We’re sons right, He’s the Son of the sons. He will always have a name superior to every other one.
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It would be a truely marvelous thing to have a part in actually teaching the rest of humanity the knowledge of the Truth and seeing their eyes opened. I think there will be a much joy in heaven as the many are brought to repentance.
Luk 15:10 Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Deborah-Leigh:
Joshua 1 : 6 Be strong, confident and of good courage, for you shall cause this people to inherit the land which I swore to their fathers to give them.
Heb 11 : 6 But without faith it is impossible....
John 6 : 63 It is The Spirit Who gives life; the flesh conveys no benefit whatever. The words that I have been speaking to you are Spirit and Life.
:) Arc.
hillsbororiver:
Thank you Kat and Arc,
Those were great additions to this topic, as we can see from the following the disciples were not yet ready to truly be "saviors" that they and the elect eventually will be, the spirit may have been willing but their flesh was still weak (vengeful and no mercy).
Luk 9:52 And sent messengers before his face: and they went and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.
Luk 9:53 And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.
Luk 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elijah did?
Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
Luk 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
Martinez:
Hey Joe.
Jesus expect us to follow in His foot steps which is why He left admonishions for us by the account of His own life and ministry.
Whatever was true of Him will be true of us also.
Mat 13:54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?
When you read Mathew, Mark, Luke and John as an unconverted disciples like the disciples its one set of instructions and when we are converted another set of instructions.
Could Jesus be the word of God?
;D
I have seen heaps of stuff in the bible about the elect as well as heaps of stuff about the false church.
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