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Matthew, Mark & Luke
hillsbororiver:
Hi Gregor,
We read in all the accounts of the demons being sent into the herd of swine and the people who witnessed this were dismayed to say the least but only in Luke do we read that these same people but once they realized that it was the Lord God (Messiah) who did this they were anxious and grateful for His return.
Remember the rich young man and how he "went away grieved" once he was told what he must do to follow the Jesus into the Kingdom?
Remember all the disciples Jesus had up until the time of His arrest, scourging and crucifixion? How many were there waiting for Him after His resurrection?
How many of those who claim to follow Him will be ready (in hope) and waiting for Him when He returns?
For many will not want to let go of what they value in the here and now in exchange for a spiritual kingdom that they can't yet see, touch, hear, smell or taste. But there are some who are anxiously awaiting His return no matter the cost or tribulation.
I certainly agree with you on the physical application of these verses but what are the spiritual implications?
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on March 05, 2008, 10:49:44 PM ---Hello Joe
That brother of yours who is showing you these things sure is precious!
I have been thinking about the pigs. I recall Ray teaching that where the sheep are Satan is present also. Where the word is sown the evil one comes quickly to snatch it away. In parallel where the maniacs are there are also the pigs. Jesus said
Matt 7 : 6 neither cast ye pearls before swine...
Jesus did not cast pearls before the swine, He sent the demons into them!
Pigs can not eat pearls. They will trample them. What do they eat?
Luke 15 : 15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine. 16. And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat; but they could not satisfy his hunger...
Babylon feeds on husks. What they eat does not satisfy hunger...(I know what that hunger is like! I recall being in Babylon and crying because I was not being fed and I did not know that my suffering was due to where I was and what I was eating! )
The bread of repentance is the real food of the life of the spirit that strengthens us to receive and welcome Christ. This brings to mind what Paul said on the boat upon which he was a prisoner. He told his captives to throw everything overboard and to eat something for their strength.
2 Cor 9 : 12 For the service that the ministering of this fund renders does not only fully supply what is lacking to the saints but it also overflows in many cries of thanksgiving to God.
Acts 27 : 33 While they waited until ti should become day, Paul entreated them all to take some food, saying, This is the fourteenth day that you have been continually in suspense and on the alert without food, having eaten nothing. 34. So I urge you to take some food - it will give you strength; for not a hair is to perish from the head of any one of you.
Peace to you
Arc. :)
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Hi Arc,
I am finding this study on the Gospels to be very nourishing indeed! ;)
His Peace to you Sister,
Joe
Gregor:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on March 06, 2008, 07:36:44 AM ---Hi Gregor,
We read in all the accounts of the demons being sent into the herd of swine and the people who witnessed this were dismayed to say the least but only in Luke do we read that these same people but once they realized that it was the Lord God (Messiah) who did this they were anxious and grateful for His return.
Remember the rich young man and how he "went away grieved" once he was told what he must do to follow the Jesus into the Kingdom?
Remember all the disciples Jesus had up until the time of His arrest, scourging and crucifixion? How many were there waiting for Him after His resurrection?
How many of those who claim to follow Him will be ready (in hope) and waiting for Him when He returns?
For many will not want to let go of what they value in the here and now in exchange for a spiritual kingdom that they can't yet see, touch, hear, smell or taste. But there are some who are anxiously awaiting His return no matter the cost or tribulation.
I certainly agree with you on the physical application of these verses but what are the spiritual implications?
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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Greetings Joe,
I think your post here makes the spiritual application obvious. Just as in many accounts the people/disciples were dismayed, it was the few (gospel of Luke account) who were chosen to receive understanding. Spiritually, without that understanding, man and beast are the same, both headed to the grave from which there is no escape apart from God. Christ's spirit leads us to life, whereas the spirit of this world leads to death. One cannot serve two masters. For whomever one gives themself to, to that one he becomes a slave, whether a slave of sin or a slave of righteousness. I'm sure there more layers of spiritual truth/application, but that's what I see as the obvious.
Blessings,
G.
hillsbororiver:
Hi Gregor,
Absolutely true, there are layers upon layers to His Word, that is why we find studying the scriptures to be so fascinating and even through diligent study it will surely take more than this time we have on earth to fully understand all the implications, that will come in the next age and beyond.
His Peace to you Brother,
Joe
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Joe
You noted quote :
I had to cut short my last response due to a time constraint but I wanted to comment on your observation..
Thank you for your comments and I do understand what it means to have to communicate within time constraints! I too have them! :)
Regarding your reference to John 21 : 25, I prefer to use other scriptures to bring this meaning across. Like for instance where Paul says
Heb 5 : 11 Concerning this we have much to say which is hard to explain, since you have become dull in your spiritual hearing and sluggish even slothful in achieving spiritual insight.
Matt 13 : 15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and heart with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Luke 24 : 25 And Jesus said to them, O foolish ones, sluggish in mind, dull of perception and slow of heart to believe, adhere to and trust in and rely on everything that the prophets have spoken!
I have been pondering Matt 8 : 28 –34
Those who fed the pigs fled and took the news of the demon possessed to the city.
Ø The Religious leaders “stirred up the crowd” Mark 15 : 12
Ø Luke 23 : 13 Pilate then called together the chief priests and rulers and the people 18. But they all together raised a deep cry saying “ Away with this man!”
Ø John 19 :6 When the chief priest and guards saw Him they cried out, Crucify Him. 14. Pilate said to the Jews, See your King! 15. But they shouted Away with Him!
I see something parallel here with those who fed the swine.
You asked regarding quote : Mar 5:21 And when Jesus was passed over again by ship unto the other side, much people gathered unto him and he was nigh unto the sea.
The other side of what, any speculation?...unquote
Jesus does not return to the place of His execution and crucifixion just as He did not return to the place where in Mark, He tells the man who had been controlled by unclean spirits to bring back word to his own family relatives and friends. I believe this is significant! ;D
Peace to you brother.
Arc.
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