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Matthew, Mark & Luke
Deborah-Leigh:
Amen to that Joe...and yes...I did mean Mark not Matthew hence the need to be specific is revealed.
Matthew Mark Luke and John are NOT the same! Comparing spiritual with spiritual, this is made evident which at first as you point out, it appears the same.
You note....quote...there even is more than one harvest
This triggered what I found in the sequel to the demoniac story. When I found that this was two different occasions, I realised that Jesus did not perform what we see He performed only one time! It at first appeared to me that this was the one and only time encountered a wild demon possessed man living in the tomb who He set free but this is not so.
Jesus performed these events all the time during His Ministry. We have the accounts through the books of Matthew Mark and Luke but as I see this, the incident recorded in Matthew occurred opposite Capernaum. Look vs 5 And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum....
then vs 23..when He was entered into a ship, his disciples followed him. THEN He came to Gergesenes not Gadara where He healed only ONE Maniac after He called the twelve as is recorded in Mark and Luke.
The book of Mark and Luke identify the same incident as shown in the parallel events that followed with Jesus and Jarius.
What does this mean for me. Well firstly, Jesus did not heal one time one Maniac. This discovery makes Jesus and what He was doing FAR bigger than a once off event. It shows for me the nature of Jesus and a fuller picture of His Presence emerges making Him more real, nearer and more present than in merely a once off event. So what that there were pigs in both stories. There must be some meaning in that too! :D
Peace to you brother
Arc.
hillsbororiver:
Hi Arc,
Just a couple quick points, in Matthew the Lord does not tell the two (witnesses through experience) who had their demons removed anything in regard to spreading the message of what He accomplished. No statement in Matthew of the Lord's return to that place either.
In Mark Jesus commanded the man to tell those people of the town what had transpired but He did not return to that place but met the people on the other side.
Mar 5:21 And when Jesus was passed over again by ship unto the other side, much people gathered unto him and he was nigh unto the sea.
The other side of what, any speculation?
Now in Luke Jesus commanded the man to go spread the word of what had happened and when Jesus returned to that same place what happened?
Luk 8:40 And it came to pass, that, when Jesus was returned, the people gladly received him: for they were all waiting for him.
The people were waiting for Him and gladly received Him!
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
hillsbororiver:
Hello again Arcturus,
I had to cut short my last response due to a time constraint but I wanted to comment on your observation that what we may have here are different yet similar events, this goes back to John's last verse in his Gospel;
Joh 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
Is it possible the things that were recorded were for a specific purpose and reason for a certain select group or groups? We have this from Paul;
1 Corinthians 12
14For the body is not one member, but many.
15If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
Even the Gospel writers were given uneven portions or maybe I should say different parts, some that could be considered a higher honor, Luke was given the commission to record the Acts of the Apostles which showed the power of the Spirit of Christ after the ascension, John wrote Revelation which foretold not only what was to come of the world but to every single believer through the age.
How many times have you read these Gospels and perhaps just now saw the different cities/countries, 2 demon possessed versus one demon possessed, the other side of the water, same side of the water and no return at all? For me after reading these things maybe hundreds of times I must admit I never saw the stark differences until my Brother in Christ began to point them out to me.
I have to say this has really inspired a desire to know the Gospels as I never knew them before, sad to say I have taken them for granted up to very recently.
His Peace to you,
Joe
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Joe
That brother of yours who is showing you these things sure is precious!
I have been thinking about the pigs. I recall Ray teaching that where the sheep are Satan is present also. Where the word is sown the evil one comes quickly to snatch it away. In parallel where the maniacs are there are also the pigs. Jesus said
Matt 7 : 6 neither cast ye pearls before swine...
Jesus did not cast pearls before the swine, He sent the demons into them!
Pigs can not eat pearls. They will trample them. What do they eat?
Luke 15 : 15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine. 16. And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat; but they could not satisfy his hunger...
Babylon feeds on husks. What they eat does not satisfy hunger...(I know what that hunger is like! I recall being in Babylon and crying because I was not being fed and I did not know that my suffering was due to where I was and what I was eating! )
The bread of repentance is the real food of the life of the spirit that strengthens us to receive and welcome Christ. This brings to mind what Paul said on the boat upon which he was a prisoner. He told his captives to throw everything overboard and to eat something for their strength.
2 Cor 9 : 12 For the service that the ministering of this fund renders does not only fully supply what is lacking to the saints but it also overflows in many cries of thanksgiving to God.
Acts 27 : 33 While they waited until ti should become day, Paul entreated them all to take some food, saying, This is the fourteenth day that you have been continually in suspense and on the alert without food, having eaten nothing. 34. So I urge you to take some food - it will give you strength; for not a hair is to perish from the head of any one of you.
Peace to you
Arc. :)
Gregor:
Greetings,
Just a note about the pigs. They were the livelyhood of those living on the other side of the lake. The owners were probably very mad that they just watched their profit go over the cliff. Perhaps that's why they told Jesus to leave, rather than rejoicing that one/two of their fellow citizens were just set free. I'm sure there are many analogies that could be drawn from this. Surely a lesson on the love of unclean things/love of money is in there somewhere.
Psalm 49:20
A man who is in honor, yet does not understand,Is like the beasts that perish.
Proverbs 21:16
A man who wanders from the way of understanding Will rest in the assembly of the dead.
Psalm 119:144
The righteousness of Your testimonies is everlasting;Give me understanding, and I shall live.
Blessings,
G.
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