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How do spiritual beings see?
Kat:
Hi Phazel,
I agree love is always good. What I meant was Satan and the demons do not see through love. I was looking at this one way and I see others were looking at it differently.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Bradigans:
--- Quote from: Phil3:10 on March 08, 2008, 05:02:14 PM ---Bradigans,
Thanks for pointing out these beautiful verses from 1 Corinthians. They express so much better than I ever could that by HIS SPIRIT leads us to the deep things of GOD.
Phil3:10
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You're welcome dear brother. Isn't God's Word just beautiful? Don't you just love it?
Bradigans:
--- Quote from: Kat on March 08, 2008, 05:57:52 PM ---
humm, there is the seeing that we gain when our spiritual eyes are opened to the Truth. This is of course through God opening our understanding.
But there is the seeing by sight, as with looking on things with our eyes. This is more of what I was speaking of in my above post.
These two can be overlapped in the Scripture. But I was thinking of how spirit being have sight and actually look at things. We have the physical eye which is the receptor and by which qualities of appearance (as position, shape, and color) are perceived. With spirit being I believe they see the images of the physical things too, but do not have the limitations that we do. Because if a spirit being was across a field, do you think it could not see what you were holding or hear what you were saying?
There is a Scripture passage where Christ spoke of seeing someone when He was somewhere else. How did Jesus see Nathanael when he was someplace else? Then Christ goes into having spiritual sight, I guess because they both related. Well these are interesting things to comtemplate.
John 1:47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming toward Him, and said of him, "Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no deceit!"
v. 48 Nathanael said to Him, "How do You know me?"
Jesus answered and said to him, "Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you."
v. 49 Nathanael answered and said to Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God! You are the King of Israel!"
v. 50 Jesus answered and said to him, "Because I said to you, "I saw you under the fig tree," do you believe? You will see greater things than these."
v. 51 And He said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man."
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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I believe He is referring to seeing things from an eternal perspective which is what we call spiritual discernment or faith. We all know what physical discernment is. We've grown quite adept to manipulating the universe through the physical senses (touch, taste, sight, smell, hearing). But, there's a much more profound way to manipulate the universe. It's beyond the physical senses and the knowledge you attain thereby. It called faith, or the evidence of things not seen, spiritual things.
- Hebrews 11:1 - Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Your physical sight is the evidence of things seen from a physical perspective. Faith is the evidence of things seen (the unseen physically) from a spiritual perspective. You will have a better picture of things seen even from the physical standpoint because things seen physically are made from things that don't appear.
- Hebrews 11:3 - Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
There's unfathomably more color and contrast when you see things in the physical from not only the standpoint of physical sight (discernment) but spiritual sight (discernment) also. From standpoint of faith (spiritual discernment), you can kind of tap in and see some what how God see's things. God is a Spirit, and this is why it's impossible to please Him without spiritual discernment (faith) and the knowledge attained thereby.
- Hebrews 11:6 - But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
You have got to see things from His perspective, the perspective of faith. It begins first by being born again.
- John 3:3-7 - Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
You don't have to die physically to experience the kingdom of God. It's here!!! Alleluia!!! You just have to have the faith that comes through the rebirth to appreciate it.
Keep me in your prayers...
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Bradigans on March 09, 2008, 08:53:33 AM ---
- John 3:3-7 - Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
You don't have to die physically to experience the kingdom of God. It's here!!! Alleluia!!! You just have to have the faith that comes through the rebirth to appreciate it.
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BEGOTTEN OR BORN ANEW FROM ON HIGH
Was Jesus gennao in Nazereth, and gennao in Bethlehem also? Is this a contradiction of the Scriptures?
Christ was CONCEIVED (#1080 gennao - regenerate, beget, conceive, be born) in Nazareth (Luke 1:26-31).
But Christ was BORN (#1080 gennao - regenerate, beget, conceive, be born) in Bethlehem (Matt. 2:1).
Notice that Jesus was "conceived" before He was born: Isn't that the normal way it is done? Were not you and every human on earth "conceived" before they were actually "born?" Yes, of course they were. So how is it then that we go straight to being "born again" before we are "conceived anew from on high?"
Notice too that those who are "born again" are invisible "like the wind" (John 3:3....) Surely there are no Christians alive today who are invisible like the wind are there? I know of no Version that has these verses correct, 1 Peter 1:23 is likewise speaking of a spiritual "conception" or "begettal" (from seed) rather than an actual birth. He that is born of the Spirit IS SPIRIT!
From the Mobile Conference 2006
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: musicman on March 08, 2008, 09:48:27 PM ---They put on their spiritual glasses!!
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lawl!
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