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How do spiritual beings see?
Bradigans:
--- Quote from: Phil3:10 on March 08, 2008, 03:07:49 PM ---Kat,
Your post on how spiritual beings might see was beautifully thought out and expressed. I am not sure right now where it is in the Bible but to paraphrase it somewhat I will try. Eye has not see, nor the mind of men conceived the blessings GOD has in store for HIS called out ones. We can only imagine!
Phil 3:10
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- 1 Corinthians 2:7-10 - But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
Phil3:10:
Bradigans,
Thanks for pointing out these beautiful verses from 1 Corinthians. They express so much better than I ever could that by HIS SPIRIT leads us to the deep things of GOD.
Phil3:10
Kat:
humm, there is the seeing that we gain when our spiritual eyes are opened to the Truth. This is of course through God opening our understanding.
But there is the seeing by sight, as with looking on things with our eyes. This is more of what I was speaking of in my above post.
These two can be overlapped in the Scripture. But I was thinking of how spirit being have sight and actually look at things. We have the physical eye which is the receptor and by which qualities of appearance (as position, shape, and color) are perceived. With spirit being I believe they see the images of the physical things too, but do not have the limitations that we do. Because if a spirit being was across a field, do you think it could not see what you were holding or hear what you were saying?
There is a Scripture passage where Christ spoke of seeing someone when He was somewhere else. How did Jesus see Nathanael when he was someplace else? Then Christ goes into having spiritual sight, I guess because they both related. Well these are interesting things to comtemplate.
John 1:47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming toward Him, and said of him, "Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no deceit!"
v. 48 Nathanael said to Him, "How do You know me?"
Jesus answered and said to him, "Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you."
v. 49 Nathanael answered and said to Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God! You are the King of Israel!"
v. 50 Jesus answered and said to him, "Because I said to you, "I saw you under the fig tree," do you believe? You will see greater things than these."
v. 51 And He said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man."
mercy, peace and love
Kat
musicman:
They put on their spiritual glasses!!
phazel:
--- Quote ---The love idea is a good one, but it does not take into account Satan and the demons.
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Forgive this train of thought as I am not attempting to preach or offer some other teaching. I have just been contemplating something and I have to wonder if the Love aspect is correct despite Satan and the demons.
God is love, love is not something that was created, or at least as the scriptures describe Love it is not a separate spirit. If all comes out of God and there is nothing that has any will or decision making power apart from Gods plan and design, then all existance has to be covered in love.
I think all our perceptions of Satan and the Demons are caused by Christianity or at least by "religion" we also have learned that everything that happens, happens for a purpose.
What is that purpose, well, from what we have learned here, that purpose is of a loving nature, it is for our benefit. EVERYTHING no matter how we dislike it, is for our benefit. Proverbs 16:9 God gave us a will in contrast to his so that we could understand that.
Now, with that said, Satan and the demons were created for a purpose. They possibly are aware more so of their purpose than we are. Would the demons think in terms of eternal damnation?
The passages talking about the men with unclean spirits. I saw one thing very peculiar. Jesus talks respectfully with the spirits. In fact, the pharasees catch more flak from Jesus than the unclean spirits are concerned. Then Jesus honors the request of the Demons.
So what I am contemplating is could there be a love there? Could Satan and the demons know this love of the Savior? I think it is quite possible.
When the demons ask Jesus if he was going to torment them before the time then the Demons already know. Take for instance a carnal human who is evil and does not believe. Would that person have that same knowledge of their fate? Do they murder understanding it is for Gods purpose?
Just some thoughts.
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