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Falconn003:
Toooooooooo  late .. i ate mine  ;D

Rodger

PS i was looking forthe old Tree of life threads and can not seem to find them. prolly the tomatoe in my eyes.

Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Sampson

Thank you for your thoughts and for sharing your experiences.

As my Brother pointed out   " we must have discernment about all situations" illustrates for me that every moment of our lives and experiences ARE situations! Indeed we have to learn balance, equilibrium and temperance!  :)

As for your ex-wife, I believe you know the boundaries and how far you can go ie discerning the situation. Also it is so worthwhile that you have experienced first hand that debate is useless. As Ray teaches :To win an argument against their will is to leave them with the same opinion still!... :D

So I am glad you are conserving the oil in your lamp and not spilling it into  efforts to illuminate others through contention and debate. It is also wise to have pity on those who think they know it all or have overcome. I know that Babylon teaches that there are differences in spiritual distinction between the brethren. This sets up all kinds of errors. As Ray has pointed out what Christ said to His children Mark 10 : 42 You know that those who are recognized as governing (Pope, Priests, Religious leaders) and are supposed to rule the Gentiles, lord it over them, and their great men (John Hagee, Paul White, Joel etc etc..)exercise authority and dominion over therm. But this is NOT TO BE SO AMONG YOU.....

We all have much to learn from Ray's Site and we are all still in the process of reaching deeper insights and knowledge of God. Non of us fully understand everything yet.

Peace to you brother

Arc. 

Deborah-Leigh:
Hey Rodger

Thank you for your thoughtful responce.

Yes, they have their temporal reward that we know can not withstand the fire of the Spirit of God that consumes carnality. "Woe" is them most assuredly not because we are holier than thou sanctimonious perverts of the faith but because Jesus said so and His Word is Truth. That should be enough to make anyone shake in their boots and think again but God's Spirit is what quickens and through only His Spirit are the eyes opened. We could be one of them, blind stupid dull ignorant vessels very busily absorbed into our own conceits and as you so astutely discern :


--- Quote ---harris is most assuredly preparing for WAR,
--- End quote ---

Gives us better eyes to see that if we are to be among the Saints and Elect to return to this earth to teach them righteousness, it will be through God's Mercy and providence that we have won through endurance, suffering and their war against us that falsely accuses, condemns and persecutes. Theirs is most assuredly the woe and them who are following Christ with the cross of self denial, to them is the victory over death. Others will follow but through the LOF of which the Saints and Elect will join in Gods consuming nature that is fire to carnality and the war it makes against God Almighty.

Our weapons must be put down, cutting off no ears and peacefully bearing all things as does love.

This is an awesome trial sustainable only through Grace and His Strength and choosing.

Peace to you brother

Arcturus :)

Deborah-Leigh:
I BELIEVE Ray when he says that he does not hate or feel angry towards Harris or anyone. I believe BECAUSE I know it is possible to be perceived incorrectly, judged falsely and slandered relentlessly.Just look at the emails Ray receives and there is enough evidence!

Also consider this, how can anyone be entrusted to the insights of God and the Knowledge of God and the Mind of Christ if they were harbouring competitive ambition to be seen of men, or cultivating deep hidden betrayals nursed on the alter of the heart in self appeasing idolatry? The deceived and blind are so pitiful, naked, blind and wretched and when they experience this, oh woe will be to them as Jesus said and that we should pity them for and begin to ask for that same Spirit of Christ who died for us while yet we were sinners. We are no better than the blind just because we have a little bit more insight than they do. We are more accountable for the talents we have and from us much is required. It is easy to gloat, feel high and self satisfied. Jesus cautioned His Disciples from feeling gratified because the evil spirits were subject to them. He advised them rather to be glad for their names are enrolled in Heaven rather.  Lukle 10 : 20 This is a major insight to discern to turn away from the carnal sweet taste of being right or avenged.

 Ray does not hate anyone. I truly believe this. Jesus cried for Jerusalem. He did not just sniff for Jerusalem. Those who hated and despised Jesus passionately in wrath filled self righteousness, they wanted Him crucified. They planned it. They connived and plotted and held secret meetings to arrange it. Jesus preached healed and prayed. Quite a difference! I know that Ray teaches and talks with God all day every day. Jesus did not hate or despise His adversary or enemy. He warned, cautioned and rebuked His enemy and Adversary. Quite a difference! This difference will be unveiled when He returns. Like a mirror they shall see themselves as they are and the chastisement will be intense. There is no place for complacency luke warm sniffs or self aggrandizing hate for our adversary.

Working day by day to answer, rebuke, edify and caution those against the very real woe of their houses falling divided upon them is a labor of love not hate. This labor of love is not idle, disinterested, aloof or luke warm and bears no hate for the deceived. Woe is them who wage war but love has to be us who wage patience, endurance, mercy and pity in the Calvery path to Christ. Ray has laid down his life to help his enemies. That he says he would die for the sheep he has been given to care for and the fact that there ARE STILL SOME SHEEP OUT THERE,  is a real joy! It is so precious to believe and know how to love without hate and still be able to rebuke, caution and admonish and take the time, as is given to Ray to do, to do so as he does all day, day in and day out!

Put another way here is a quote from a dear Brother:

It's one thing for us to just say "oh yes, we are the elect and we will reign over the church and they will be in torment but we will show them mercy."  But it's a whole 'nother thing to identify with them, to intercede for them, to be willing to go through spiritual torment and tribulation in the hopes that we will be in a position to show them mercy; to carry our cross for them, to lay down our lives for our enemies. 

We really must move past looking at the church, sitting in judgment, mocking their (obviously heretical) beliefs, and just setting up a shelter like Jonah and sitting back and waiting to watch them be judged. 

Just think if that was the approach that Christ took with us!  But thankfully, that is not the approach He took. He identified with us, poured out His blood for us, carried His cross for us, and eventually died for us, His enemies.

Think of some of the worst spiritual torment and tribulation you've gone through during your growth process (and I believe the only way to grow spiritually is to endure these tribulations), and when you think of that, realize that you have gone through that to identify with those in the church, what they  will experience when they are judged.

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