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Dante:
Just some maybes:
Maybe we will rule and reign with him.
Maybe we will help create with him.
Maybe we will explore the universe and learn much, if not all it's secrets (Which will actually be learning about God). This would seem to make sense since that is what we are doing here. :)
Maybe we will communicate with each other directly without the need of speech, since our love and dreams will be instantly WITH each other. You may feel the emotion from others and the song in their hearts without even hearing a word. I had a dream one time where God told me that light (Like a rainbow of unimaginable color) and music (A humans vocals, of wailing (IN a good way) of a sorts)were really an important part of Heaven.
Maybe we will FEEL what God feels Directly. An example would be the love for creating.
Maybe we will listen to stories, of the lives of people we admired in life and those who we didn't admire so much. (Humans) Wouldn't that be interesting to hear from the greatest minds of men, and how they don't even compare to God,...etc..
Maybe we will be like the Angels are now, we will help another civilization on another planet billions of miles away. And then we can say,..."Yikes,..yeah I remember being in there shoes".
Truth101:
Hi all,
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
After reading through these posts this scripture comes to me. Even now, somehow God reveals Himself through all He has created. Jesus used many examples of the things created to reveal spiritual things which I find are complete evidence of Him.
It is through seeing creation that not believing in God is warranted as inexcusable. Our human needs to create things (albeit with things God has already created) seems to me to be part of a training for a future employment if you will. Mans constant desire to create and mold seems to be just another evidence of not only Gods existance but His very spirit in us (all of us).
Maybe God will create through us. I know this is speculation but thinking on these things brings joy just to imagine all the possibilities.
God bless, Dave
Sorin:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on April 05, 2008, 07:44:36 AM ---Good insights Joyful1
Some are of the opinion that what they have is from their own powers and is produced from free will.
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
--- End quote ---
Hi Arcturus,
So what you're saying is; both the things we have, and the things we don't are either given to us, or they're not. And there's nothing
we can do of our own free will to produce it?
Predestination comes to mind-and basically one shouldn't look down upon a homeless person and call him a loser because that is his lot in life. Likewise, the rich person thumbing his nose at him, was predestined to be a rich, snobby- well, you get my point.
So what you're saying is, that homeless person can not do anything to get himself out of that situation like finding a job, and working his way up to at least, poor, but no longer homeless, unless God predestined that for him. So how is it the homeless person's fault, he can't help who he is, nor can he 'of his own free will produce anything'.
Can't really call someone lazy if they lack free will... and are bound to their destiny in life. And can of their own free-will produce nothing, since they lack it.
Also, Ray said that a person can not commit suicide unless that is what God pre-determined that they would do, and when they would do it, not sooner, nor later. So how can we look down on people who have committed suicide, or have attempted, and failed.
Weren't they just doing what they were predestined to do? They were dealt a terrible hand, and couldn't deal with it anymore, or saw
that there's no reason for them to live. And don't try saying, that, ' there is a reason, God, loves them ' and all that, because if they're pre-destined to do it, they will do it. And there's nothing you can do to stop it.
They had their time to be born, got dealt that bad hand, and now it's time for them to go.
I hate how Christians condemn suicide victims to an eternity in hell.
I mean, my God!... haven't they suffered enough on earth? Now these ******** want them to suffer more; insanely more, unspeakable
pain and misery for all eternity.
Just some thoughts that were on my mind this morning,
Sorin
joyful1:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on April 05, 2008, 07:44:36 AM ---Good insights Joyful1
Some are of the opinion that what they have is from their own powers and is produced from free will.
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
--- End quote ---
Exactly, Acturus!
I was thinking about this very subject late last night and early this morning...
"working with predestination"....I'll be posting a thread by that name in a few mins. I don't want to disrupt Marques' original question.
Joyce :)
Kat:
Hi Sorin,
Pro 16:9 A man's heart plans his way, But the LORD directs his steps.
Eph 1:11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will,
Indeed what you say is true, we can not look down on anyone at all because of their circumstances in this life.
1Co 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am...
--- Quote ---Also, Ray said that a person can not commit suicide unless that is what God pre-determined that they would do, and when they would do it, not sooner, nor later.
--- End quote ---
Here is an excerpt from the Nashville conference transcript that you referred to.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.msg34384.html#msg34384 -----
He is in control of EVERTHING, through circumstances. He doesn’t make anyone kill themselves against their will, no. But He puts them into situations where they can’t tolerate life anymore and their own will becomes, I want to kill myself.
[Someone ask the question: is that why Christ was always in prayer?]
Well yes, it’s like the old saying; act like it all depends on you and pray like it all depends on God. That’s the way you should live your life. He could not help but pray.
What appears to be contradictions are not contradictions, when you have a higher spiritual understanding of what it’s talking about.
Let me show you a perfect example and it sounds like a contradiction, but it’s not.
Phi 2:12 “Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”
Doesn’t that contradict this whole thing, we’re saved by grace and not of works? And now we’re to work out our own salvation? What is that? How do you explain that? “ Of Myself I can do nothing…” (John 5:30), and he said YOU can do nothing (John 15:5), He said to the apostles. Then Paul says “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” Well it does sound like a contradiction. Read the next verse, He tells us why. ‘For,’ now that word always means ‘because,’ it’s another word for because.
Phi 2:13 “For(because) it is God who works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure.”
Some of you probably still don’t get the answer, but it is there. Work out your own salvation, is not the jest of that saying, He is not saying, work out your own salvation(.) No, he’s saying “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, that’s where the emphases is, on fear and trembling, not on work out your own salvation. You work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, why? Because it all depends on God. If God doesn’t do it, it won’t happen, IT WON’T HAPPEN. So we live in fear and trepidation.
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You think, I shouldn’t have done this or that. That’s right you shouldn’t think that way. You should think, that I shouldn’t have done that, because then your learning. And when you learn, you will then put that into practice. Because God doesn’t have you learn things so you can’t put them into practice. He has you learn things so you CAN put them into practice. But the only way you will learn them, is if you see how stupid it was, and you say if I had it to do over, I wouldn’t have done that. So you had to do them, because that lead to a lot of trouble and pain and sorrow. But did you learn your lesson? Well yea. Then don’t do it again, Ok, now their back on track.
But the whole human race does not comprehend, they do not have free-will. They have a will based on everything, that everything makes them do. That’s there free-will.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
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