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chav:
Hi
this seems to be an increasingly reported phenomenom , and I have seen some documentaries about it here. What seems particularly interesting ,is that it seems to only occur mainly with those who have had heart transplants, from what I have seen those receiving renal and liver transplants do not appear to have the same experience, although I might be wrong about that.
I have also read that there is some evidence to suggest ,that the heart appears to have some emotional effect on the brain also, and is not merely a pump .Perhaps that might be an explanation as to why this occurs.
Dave
eggi:
--- Quote ---"Was he a beer drinker?" I asked. His sisters nodded.
When I told them how I had wanted a beer soon after the operation, there were smiles all around. It was so amazing just to be there that I had to remind myself that I had come with some specific questions. I asked if Tim had ever had colds and whether he recovered quickly.
They told me that he was hardly ever ill, and I wondered if this explained my new-found resilience? I also asked if he liked green peppers. I'd never liked them before the operation - but afterwards I loved them and included them in virtually every meal. His sister told me that, yes, Tim had loved green peppers - "but what he really loved were chicken nuggets".
This explained my trips to Kentucky Fried Chicken. I was dumbfounded.
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And just what is that supposed to prove? How many people "like beer", how many people "like green peppers", how many people "like chicken nuggets"?
I'll tell you now about a so-called "clearseer", a woman in Norway who says that she can communicate with animals, especially with cats. According to this woman, the cats tell her things like: "I've lived a long life with my owner, he took care of me. There is another cat in the neighbourhood who is sick. I want my owner to help him. I like when my owner gives me a massage. I like to eat fresh fish." And so on...
These things are so general, it's so easy to come up with those things! I can't believe that some people are so stupid as to believe that this woman can actually "communicate" with animals. Of course, as it is custom with all liars, she drew a deep breath and closed her eyes when she started "communicating" with the cat. The cat seemed like he wanted to get out of there... All on national television. The same lady has now become so "receptive" (in her own words), that she can communicate with the dead. So she has started a "clinic" where she communicates with your dead relatives, if you pay her about 100$ per hour. She's a liar!
I never believed in these "amazing stories". Most of them can be explained quite easily without any investigation.
Or perhaps aliens downloaded the mind of that boy after he was abducted and taken to a galaxy far far away?
By the way, do you know that earth is ruled by a race of reptilians from the Draco system? The queen lizard of England is their leader. Just look at her eyes!
God bless you,
Eirik
eggi:
--- Quote from: Dave UK on April 12, 2008, 03:28:30 AM ---Hi
this seems to be an increasingly reported phenomenom , and I have seen some documentaries about it here. What seems particularly interesting ,is that it seems to only occur mainly with those who have had heart transplants, from what I have seen those receiving renal and liver transplants do not appear to have the same experience, although I might be wrong about that.
I have also read that there is some evidence to suggest ,that the heart appears to have some emotional effect on the brain also, and is not merely a pump. Perhaps that might be an explanation as to why this occurs.
Dave
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Dave, there might come a day when humans will have a pig's heart transplanted into their body. I wonder what thoughts and feelings they would have then? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1740316.stm
If the spirit returns to God who gave it, does this mean that in order to resurrect us with the same personality, then God would also have to bring the heart back to Him? Seeing that flesh and blood (including the heart) CANNOT inherit the Kingdom of God, do you think that God will have to rethink His ideas? Perhaps part of our spirit resides in the blood, and part of it resides in the heart? I think not. In a recent email to Ray, Cobby writes:
--- Quote ---So the beast is the physical heart of every mankind which pumps blood. In the blood lives the spirit of man.
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Ray replied:
--- Quote ---Dear Cobby: Two thousand pages you say? And my revelations are no different from yours, you say? Interesting. Let me know when your book is out.
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I recall Ray saying that our problem is not our flesh, it's our carnal mind. The body in itself does not do anything bad.
PS. I was a blood donor for a couple of years, and I've never heard of anyone who began to play the piano in the same way as I, or desperately crave any of my favourite foods after they were given this blood.
Beloved:
Well this is turning into an interesting post, I kind of ignored it when I saw it. All of these stories seem fit for "silly women with itching ears".
DNA is very complex, it is not in a double helix form most of the time in ones life, it is only in that form when the cell divides. It is usually in very convoluted tight coils, but tiny part of it can open up at certain times.
There is a field called Epigenetics now, which shows how environment can influence nuclear DNA. That is why one twin can get a disease and the other does not.
Even so, genetics of an individual influence the molecular maleup of the person. An alcoholic (ETOH) may have more ETOH receptors on their cells and therefore will have more impact on the cells. Or they may lack P450 enzymes in their livers that help metabolize it, women have less than men, and are usually more susciplet to getting drunk dififferent races metabolize it differently that is why certain races not exposed to it over the generations are more susceptible to becoming alcoholics. Certain chemical exposure in utero can cause the fetus to be susceptible to the chemical when they are exposed later in life.
Our brains and or hormones and immune system can easily be altered by the environment, therefore I can easily see how even thoughts can change the system. But God is still in control because He brings all of these things into one’s life. Identical twins are not exact duplicates or copies they each have their own thoughts and have different environments (left side or right side of the uterus, etc). They each have their own "Ruach " spirit.
Even though each parent contributes a gamete cell, it is God that determines the LIFE that He puts into that Zygote at conception….also at artificial insemination and even with cloning. God is still in control.even in infertility treatments. I do think however that man will pay a price for his interference.
Since we can now freeze eggs, it is possible for a woman to give birth to her great grandmother so you see that these family trees are going to get twisted into knots.
Also with excessive insemination etc it is possible that two sibs could marry by accident and similar DNA cause malfunction at critical junctions, hence more chance for certain disorders, like you see in royal lines (I never noticed thos eyes until you mentioned it) that are overbred, same thing for tight communitits like the Amish for example who do not marry outside the clan and the clans decrease in size over time.
Man certainly like to muck things, they are experimenting in England and were they were putting human nuclear DNA into cow eggs. They said they were doing stem cell research…I for certain do not want any of these cells.
The cells would all have cow mitochondrial DNA. As the organism duplicates each cell will have these because these duplicate too with each cell division. I think they would develope into a human but they will share some of the cellular immunity of a cow. In that society I guess all cow jokes and symbols will need to be banned so as to not hurt their feelings. :P
I think the phenomenon of the heart transplant touches on a very deep human trait. If I tell you to point where you think “you” are in your body body….where did you point ? Well 99.99 point to their heart area….people tend to think of this area as their essence…but it is just a automatic piece of pumping meat.
I on the other hand am an idiot and one of those who pointed to my head.. :P
I believe that the carnal mind is a summation of your organic matter that your spirit has animated. This is all entirely individualized and all totally God controlled.
Man thinks he knows a lot but thankfully God has put in many safeguards into his creation, especially since he gave one of his silly creatures the ability to tinker. I love that joke I posted where God says He should stopped with the elephants ;D
Beloved
chav:
Hi
--- Quote ---If the spirit returns to God who gave it, does this mean that in order to resurrect us with the same personality, then God would also have to bring the heart back to Him? Seeing that flesh and blood (including the heart) CANNOT inherit the Kingdom of God, do you think that God will have to rethink His ideas? Perhaps part of our spirit resides in the blood, and part of it resides in the heart? I think not.
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I'm not suggesting anything remotely like that, but I recognise that our knowledge about the mind ,memory ,and consciousnes even in this day and age remains limited. There is plenty we don't know ,that's all.
--- Quote ---Dave, there might come a day when humans will have a pig's heart transplanted into their body. I wonder what thoughts and feelings they would have then?
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I wonder ? Perhaps the recipients will miraculously develop the ability to sniff out truffles and enjoy wallowing in mud .
Personally something in me finds the idea of animal organ donation pretty distasteful.
Dave
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