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Kat:
Hi Darren,
I think that is one of the points that Ray makes in the Bible study ' Can we lose God's Spirit and eonoian life.' Yes God does give His Spirit to those that have their eyes open, but they can lose it, or it can leave them. But if this happens of course it was always intended to be that way. Because the Elect are those that endure to the end, God will make sure they do and as Jesus said no one can snatch them from Him.
John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
v. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
v. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.
Here is an excerpt from the transcript.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7047.0.html ---------
Now here is the point I want to make, spirit is life and life is spirit. Now back to verse 15.
Can we lose out… well we read the Scripture that if you sin willfully - willingly there is no more sacrifice for you. Now look at this verse, many people probably never really saw it before.
1 John 3:15 Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal (eonian or age lasting) life abiding (the Greek is “staying or “REMAINING”) in him.
So the Greek is staying or remaining. Now if you just read that without all the background that I’m giving you, then you get the feeling that, well he won't be given God’s abiding life. No, he already has it. The only way something cannot stay in you or not remain in you, is if it’s in you. Do you follow that? It’s in you.
He’s not talking to Barbarians here or infidels, he’s talking to the congregation who have the spirit of God. But he says if you hate your brother the spirit of God will no longer stay with you, it will no longer be in you. If the Spirit of God is not in you, you are no longer His. Then you are going to the judgment. That’s just how simple that is. All through these Scriptures if you read carefully, maybe it doesn’t have it just like this, but this is just a poor translation. But if you read Concordant and Rotherham and all, they will tell you to ‘stay’ - ‘remain.’ It means to remain, but it won’t remain. You see it’s there, but it’s coming out.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
winner08:
Kat: That to me has to be one of the most powerful scripture in the bible.
John 10: 27-29. This says it all.
Peace Darren
mrl1970:
How would one know if the spirit of God has left them or can they?
Kat:
Hi mrl1970,
I think the way you know you have His Spirit, is when the Bible opens up to you and you just can't get enough of reading and learning as He reveals this Truth to you. Then you are the one "who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit."
Well maybe if you find that you no longer understand or believe these truths, that's when "the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart."
Or if when you read BT, you get it, but soon lose interest, wouldn't that be like "he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while."
Maybe you are too busy with "the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful."
(Matt. 13)
All these things seem like they are real life occurances that are happening now with people.
So many people come here introduce themselves and say how glad they are to fine BT and others of like mind. But sooner or later most of them seem to drift away. I'm sure some just quite posting and are still here. And maybe some are still studying and growing on their own and have just lost interest in the forum. I don't know what happens to all these people. It just seems like to me if you have His spirit you would want to stay close to others of like mind.
But that's what I am thinking, hope it helps.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
mrl1970:
thanks Kat
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