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mharrell08:
Hello All:

This post is in regards to probably my favorite paper from Ray: 12 God-Given Truths to Understand His Word (http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm)

I wanted to discuss truth #8. It is basically about the Old Testament or Old Covenant was for "our admonition". This one sentence has been steady in my head:  "If you cannot identify yourself, personally, with all the stories and accounts in the Old Testament, then you have not even begun to overcome all the carnality that you are." My first thought was WOW! I have not read the entire Old Testament only from Genesis to 2 Chronicles with Job, Isaiah, Malachi, and some Proverbs & Psalms thrown in. Would anyone like to share how they have seen themselves in the different stories and accounts from the OT?

I'll start first since it is my post. From studying the scriptures and from Ray's teaching, I know that if I were in Adam's place, I would have done the exact same thing. Adam was "yet carnal" and as we all know from scripture that is one that cannot be subject to His law (Rom 8:7). I could not have overcome in that same situation as Adam could not either with a carnal mind. Also with Eve, even though I am a man, I can identify with her because I was once deceived by Satan (following the church instead of God) and also I have and continue to struggle with "lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and the pride of life (1 John 2:16).

Well, I don't want to be long-winded...does anyone else have anything? I believe this can help all of us as our different accounts can help others understand and see themselves in the OT. Thanks

UncleBeau:
Hmm....I'll tell you one person in the OT I know I could have identified with all too well....Abram's (Abraham) wife, Sarai (Sarah) When she was told she would conceive a child and she just flat out didn't believe God. What was odd was that she DID believe that Abraham would be the Father of many nations (or at least she followed her husband that far), but then she started using her "common" sense, her foolish carnal wisdom. Before I was drawn out (or as I'd like to put it, "spanked on the rear end by God and dragged out kicking and screaming") I could believe things that "made sense" to me, but how much more? But why stop there so to make myself seem like I'm not a sinning machine and I just lacked faith.
The ONLY reasons why I haven't done so many more horrific things than mass murderers and rapists, torturing, mutilating, and utterly evil people...is lack of opportunity. I wasn't given the circumstances to make me live or think that way. If I had, I'd love it. That's why people that do such evil do it, because they love it, whether or not they care to admit it. Not only that, it's EASY! It's just so easy to just do whatever you want, especially for those who think they have a "free will". When you're your own god, who's gonna stop you? You're calling the shots.
That's how I sympathise with the OT sinners. I didn't fear God, not one bit. As a christian, I had no wisdom at all. Only just for a year or so have I truly known what it is to fear God and what He must do with the stubborn children's circumstances.
But why I'm blessed is this: Everything anyone in the Scriptures has sinned against God with is for MY admonition, MY benefit, MY fear of God. Just think how those people will be blessed at the resurrection to know that the chosen of God learned from THEIR mistakes.

Vangie:
That last statement--WOW--how profound Beau!  Thank you so much!

In Christ,
Vangie

winner08:
unfortunately I never read the whole OT or the NT. For 20yr I have gotten my teachings through others. This does not mean I haven't read some of the Bible. Since I have been reading Ray's teachings, I have been reading alot more of the Bible. I started at Gen. but then I get distracted. I would pick up latter and start on the NT but the same thing would happen. This is something I'm working on. I do have alot of discussions on the Bible with a close friend of mine. I do look up alot of scripture. But I can not quote one chapter and verse. Except (nope) not even that one!! :( :-\ Man that's sad.

                                                  Peace to you and yours


                                                         Darren

Martinez:

--- Quote from: winner08 on April 22, 2008, 01:46:22 PM ---unfortunately I never read the whole OT or the NT. For 20yr I have gotten my teachings through others. This does not mean I haven't read some of the Bible. Since I have been reading Ray's teachings, I have been reading alot more of the Bible. I started at Gen. but then I get distracted. I would pick up latter and start on the NT but the same thing would happen. This is something I'm working on. I do have alot of discussions on the Bible with a close friend of mine. I do look up alot of scripture. But I can not quote one chapter and verse. Except (nope) not even that one!! :( :-\ Man that's sad.

                                                  Peace to you and yours


                                                         Darren

--- End quote ---


Yeah Darren, I can realate to that.

I haven't read the bible right the way through. I've tried, but I always got angry or fearful or confused so I would give up for a while, plus I never knew where to start, it's not exactly a small book, and plus it's three times thicker than it's mass!

Just remember Darren, God is sovereign, and you have read exactly as much of His word as He wants you to have at this time and the same goes for me and for everyone!

It's not how much you have been given that counts, it's what you do with what you have been given.

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