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Deborah-Leigh:
A lovely thread mharrell08

I certainly can relate to the more infamous characters so I am most thankful that at least or should I say AT MOST, I have the same name thankfully, as one of the more knoble of women of the OT :-\ and the other with the same name was most simple.

Peace to you

Arcturus/Deborah

rjsurfs:
Hi mharrell08,

I agree with Arc... great thread.

I at first mused at you stating that "12 God-Given Truths to Understand His Word" was your favorite paper by Ray.  I remember the entire first year, at least, that I was reading Bible-Truths that this paper was very difficult for me to understand... so I'm glad to see it is your favorite!  I do really enjoy this paper now too.

Coincidentally, I have started to share this paper with my eighty-plus year old parents... we are going over Truth #1 now but I connect much of what you say about #8 and the OT with Truth #1... in that first comes the physical... and then the spiritual. 

Elsewhere Ray has stated:
"We are all born with a physical [carnal] mind.  It is possible to keep physical [carnal] laws with a physical carnal mind (Paul did it to near perfection when he was Saul!).  But one CANNOT keep God’s spiritual laws with a physical carnal mind!

"Because the carnal [natural physical] mind is enmity [deep seated HATRED] AGAINST God; for it is NOT subject to the [spiritual] law of God, neither indeed can be" (Rom. 8:7).

"For to be carnally minded is DEATH; but to be spiritually minded is LIFE and peace" (Rom. 8:6)."

So to your original topic.. what does all of this mean to me?  For me, this has so much to do with "the beast within".  Ray goes into this in detail in the "Myth of Freewill" but quoting from part XIV of the Lake of Fire:
"God has always allowed men to believe that they are able of and by themselves (by their supposed phantom "free" will) to love God and be obedient to His laws. Despite God’s plethora of testimonies to the contrary, theologians and philosophers alike have taught mankind that they are indeed ABLE TO CHOOSE and, ABLE TO DO and to carry out that choice, because they have the "free will" within them to do so. What they have within them is a "beast" that is no more able to choose and obey God than any literal beast of the field."

So, in countless place throughout the OT I see this truth given to us.  Now this is just what I am connecting with in regards to the quote you pointed out... there is much more to it and I know others see things just as powerful for them... but reading through the OT I connect with the lives of Pharaoh, Joseph and his brothers, Job, the entire nation of Israel, etc... in that these are stories that show us God is all in all... and all men experience this physical first, and then the spiritual.  Few will experience it in this life... but eventually all will, in the second death.

I don't think you have to read the entire OT... I certainly encourage anyone to do so... but it is all pointing in the same direction.  No matter where you look it says the same thing.  God is all in all.

Bobby

carol v:
Great thread. Darren and Martinez -- you might consider getting a "read the Bible in a year" schedule and following that. I divides it up in small amounts that won't overwhelm you. There are plenty on the internet for free and there is even a Bible organized that way. And if you skip some days, don't worry.

JUDGES -- I just went through Judges and related to every tale. I am the Israelites. I have made the same mistakes over and over again. God has to chastise me. Send me into slavery in some way. Then He gives me some relief. Then we start all over.

Things have gotten better since I saw God's truths but when I look back on my life, this is how I see it. I have quit repeating some of my mistakes but others just want to hang on..uh,oh...here come da judge!

Carol

Martinez:

Ha LOL Carol!

I don't have that problem anymore since I have started to understand what it says a lot more now, in fact just try and keep me out of that book now!

Actually, I wouldn't mind getting an audio bible so that I can keep listening after I get to tired to focus anymore.

kweli:
I can identify with Jonah. Much as I try and try to do my thing and go my way, He always sends a huge (sea) monster to gobble me up and keep me on track His Will. I'm done trying to free will my way out of the monster. I only hope my three days in there arent but 3 000 years :-[ :-[ :-[

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