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John the Baptist Offended?
vanityandvexation:
--- Quote from: ciy on April 25, 2008, 11:45:22 AM ---John 4:2
2(Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
Is this saying that Jesus baptised his disciples only? Something to ponder.
On the John the Baptist subject, I go back to Ray's Spiritual Truth #8 and realize John is me. The process of being saved, that Ray states is "the hardest thing we will ever do in this age", has the phase in it where you are still in bondage to the ruler of this world. You think you have found Jesus and everything is going to be great from that moment on and every day seems to be worst than the day before. You get to thinking is this really the truth? Is this the true Christ? When this happens you need encouragement and a reminder that Christ coming is spiritual food. Christ's coming is not meat and potatoes and every comfort of this world. The world stays the same your perspective of the world changes, but it is a process and will not be complete until you have had your head cut off so that you can then have the mind of Christ. And this will happen over and over until the end comes.
Remember Christ is crucified in Golgotha, in the skull, which is in your head. He is raised in a garden which again is the garden of your mind where the first Adam was created. That naked first Adam is no longer in the garden, but the risen Christ who is now the gardener of the garden and is clothed in white linen.
Sorry for the rambling which is probably not important to anyone but it is the direction my mind goes when I ponder such things.
CIY
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CIY,
You're view is interesting...I think I understand. It seems as though you and Roy were not offended, or "caused to stumble," as Jesus warns in this passage.
You seem to have the prison figured out, as well as the question. I'm curious as to who the two disciples are? I'm also curious as to the spiritual significance of Jesus' answer?
psalmsinger:
Marques,
Thanks fro bringing that scripture to my attention! I think it is in times of trouble that we are most likely to stumble in disbelief (disobedience). John's disciples were most likely going through a period of unbelief seeing their spiritual leader in such a predicament. John was wise for pointing them to Jesus Christ at him impending death and Jesus was kind and wise when he sent news of His miracles to give hope and comfort. He certainly didn't treat the repentant believers like he did the scribes and pharisees who asked for a "sign". When we are looking through the veil of tribulation and persecution in this life it is hard to see that God is working Good in us. It is good to stay in the Light where we truly love God and our brothers where it is much, much harder to stumble at the Word. Thanks to all for a good thread.
1 Pet 2:6-8
6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
(KJV)
I Jn 2:10
10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
Rest in the Lord,
Barbara
Hello All:
The one thing I did not see within anyone's post was a spiritual match! From Spiritual Truth #7 of the 12 God-given truths to understanding His Word is to "compare spiritual with spiritual". But when looking through scriptures for a match as "no scripture is of its own interpetation", this scripture goes hand and hand with what most of you posted anyways.
Matt. 13:21
Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended
I was thinking this is a great thread but the thought came to me yesterday that there was not a scriptural & spiritual match posted. I think everyone's response though lined up with this scriptural truth nonetheless. If I am off based and just missed the match please forgive me "for I know not what I do" ;D
Marques
ciy:
V and V
I am not teaching. I am only discussing what this says to me.
Matthew 11:3 states when John was in prison, he sent two of his disciples to Jesus with this question,
“ Are thou he that should come, or do we look for another?”
4Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see:
5The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.
6And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.
We are all in spiritual bondage to the world system of this age or bablyon. The 2 disciples are 2 witnesses to prove who Jesus is, and His reply is in reference to spiritually blind, deaf, sick, dead, etc people who are being shown the truth of the gospel.
John is that flesh man that is still looking for a physical kingdom and wanting out of a physical prison. He must decrease and the the spiritual man of Jesus must increase so that the truth will grow.
CIY
Roy Monis:
UncleBeau I believe you have hit the nail right on the head and I think it has gone right home and fixed the problem.
God bless
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy
vanityandvexation:
--- Quote from: ciy on April 29, 2008, 08:35:59 AM ---V and V
I am not teaching. I am only discussing what this says to me.
Matthew 11:3 states when John was in prison, he sent two of his disciples to Jesus with this question,
“ Are thou he that should come, or do we look for another?”
4Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see:
5The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.
6And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.
We are all in spiritual bondage to the world system of this age or bablyon. The 2 disciples are 2 witnesses to prove who Jesus is, and His reply is in reference to spiritually blind, deaf, sick, dead, etc people who are being shown the truth of the gospel.
John is that flesh man that is still looking for a physical kingdom and wanting out of a physical prison. He must decrease and the the spiritual man of Jesus must increase so that the truth will grow.
CIY
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CIY,
Thank you for that reply. It is really enlightening. I haven't read all the other posts completely, but yours is the only one that actually makes sense to me. I don't feel like there is any other explanation here that matters other than the allegory of our own journey from carnality to being like-minded, if you will.
What is wrong with being a teacher? You are really knowledgable.
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