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John the Baptist Offended?
ciy:
John 4:2
2(Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
Is this saying that Jesus baptised his disciples only? Something to ponder.
On the John the Baptist subject, I go back to Ray's Spiritual Truth #8 and realize John is me. The process of being saved, that Ray states is "the hardest thing we will ever do in this age", has the phase in it where you are still in bondage to the ruler of this world. You think you have found Jesus and everything is going to be great from that moment on and every day seems to be worst than the day before. You get to thinking is this really the truth? Is this the true Christ? When this happens you need encouragement and a reminder that Christ coming is spiritual food. Christ's coming is not meat and potatoes and every comfort of this world. The world stays the same your perspective of the world changes, but it is a process and will not be complete until you have had your head cut off so that you can then have the mind of Christ. And this will happen over and over until the end comes.
Remember Christ is crucified in Golgotha, in the skull, which is in your head. He is raised in a garden which again is the garden of your mind where the first Adam was created. That naked first Adam is no longer in the garden, but the risen Christ who is now the gardener of the garden and is clothed in white linen.
Sorry for the rambling which is probably not important to anyone but it is the direction my mind goes when I ponder such things.
CIY
chuckt:
--- Quote ---Remember Christ is crucified in Golgotha, in the skull, which is in your head. He is raised in a garden which again is the garden of your mind where the first Adam was created. That naked first Adam is no longer in the garden, but the risen Christ who is now the gardener of the garden and is clothed in white linen.
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greetings.
i like that anology. woot woot
chuckt
eggi:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on April 25, 2008, 06:17:25 AM ---Hi Matthew,
Perhaps John did not really know what Christ's mission really was, could it be that he also thought Jesus was going to set up a physical earthly kingdom rather than a heavenly spiritual kingdom?
Was John disappointed, confused, upset, even angry at Jesus as he sat in prison? I think we sometimes think these men we read about in the scriptures were on some totally higher spiritual plane than we are, that they of themselves were able to overcome the natural, carnal emotional thinking that plague us so consistantly.
Of course the apostles reached unique spiritual heights after Pentecost and no sacrifice was too big even up to martyrdom, but the OT prophets and John the Baptist were not of the promise, they were all of the Old Covenant, the physical, ritualistic Covenant rather than the New (spiritual) Covenant.
So in light of all that in my opinion, yes, I can see that John at that point had some real doubts (as we all have suffered) and confusion about Jesus and what He was really accomplishing in His earthly ministry.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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Yeah, I too think John had doubts. he wanted a clear answer. For sure all people knew about Jesus' miracles, but perhaps John didn't expect to end up in jail, maybe he had hopes that Jesus would kick out the Romans. There were many Jewish leaders who had a militaristic approach in those days... when would Jesus do this? Must have been very hard for John.
chuckt:
Im thinking John knew exactly that Jesus was the Christ, and im thinking he sent his men to ask Jesus the question
not for him but thinking Jesus needed to be reminded John was in prison and like come on man come and get me out of here. you didnt forget me did you? i know you have power.....whatcha waiting for,......
so yup i think you guys are right about the carnal thing and poor johns false expectations...
yall have a good weekend and be safe.
peace
chuckt
sansmile:
Hi all,
What comes to mind here is that John at this point was NOT converted. As Uncle Beau said, they had not yet been baptised of the Holy Spirit.
(Luk 22:32) But I have prayed for you, that your faith fail not. And when you are converted, strengthen your brothers.
and what did peter say:
(Luk 22:33) And he said to Him, Lord, I am ready to go with You, both into prison and into death.
and yet shortly after Peter denied Him 2 times.
All the apostles were still carnally minded until they were converted,,then the spirit of Christ the parakletos entered their heart,
God Bless
Sansmile
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