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acomplishedartis:

Avarice makes move our postmodern world, it is the desire of being wanting more and more, the more we get better, whatever that is more that we need or that we think to be our necessity.
And yes we are here to learn from contrasts and all avarice is necessary, so there will be all bondage someday.

We are told to be thankful and okay with what we have; this sounds like a good amount of conformism to me, which I am very fine with it.

But, when it comes to spiritual things, are we to stop being okay with what we have and start starving for more and more, just thinking on what we don’t have or suppose that we need? Like if it would be up to us, how much and how fast we can grow?

I am not sure, maybe we should, or maybe we should be faithfully with what we have now until God with time and circumstances in cress our capacities to keep overcoming. What if eider than keep wanting more, we give what we have since nothing that we have, we got it for our own.

We are to consider what was of big value for us; as lost, why? Because it never will be enough.
Everything is changing and nothing stays the same, for now all we have is hope and this will be always enough for us; ‘‘right now’’.

Does ‘‘Waiting with patience and perseverance for what we don’t have now’… could make the difference between ‘have the excessive or insatiable desire for spiritual things’??






Heb 13:5  Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Heidi:
Hi there,

I don't really follow what it is that you are trying to convey or ask.  Your title is "spiritually greedy", are you asking whether it is ok to be spiritually greedy?

At this point in my walk with God, I am like a sponge.  I can't seem to get enough of the spiritual food through Ray's teachings and reading the discussions/replies/emails.  Does that make me spiritually greedy....I don't think so. 

Heidi

Roy Monis:
Hi! ?

Like Heidi I too don't fully understand your question. Are we comparing the needs of two worlds here, the carnal or physical and the spiritual? If so then it's simple. As long as we have adequate food and clothing we ought to be satisfied and content, what good are private jets, luxurious houses, yachts and expensive cars going to do for you today if God requires your soul tonight? Those material things immediately pass away never to return, but ahead of you is eternity for which you have not adequately prepared in your eagerness to satisfy your carnal lust for more and more. Would you not prefer to lust for an over abundance of Spiritual Greed which can never rust or be stolen and remain forever?

I know which I'd choose and have chosen. Like Heidi I can't get enough of the Truth as we are now receiving it through Ray, and that which I am receiving I'm having extreme difficulty in absorbing. It is all so deep and intense that it takes a brain far superior to mine to quickly gather it into a leak proof barn for safe keeping. I have to do it very slowly to produce the desired result it is intended for.

So brother: "For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: but your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things. Yet seek ye his kingdom, and these things shall be added unto you" (Luke 12:30,31)

God bless you.

Love in Christ Jesus.

Roy

vanityandvexation:
Mr. Spiritually Greedy:

I understand your point. And yes, I believe there is a point when seeking wisdom and understanding (although we are required to do so) becomes vain:

Ecclesiastes 2:
   13Then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness.

   14The wise man's eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness: and I myself perceived also that one event happeneth to them all.

   24There is nothing better for a man, than that he should eat and drink, and that he should make his soul enjoy good in his labour. This also I saw, that it was from the hand of God



Ecclesiastes 1
   1The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.

   2Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.

   3What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun?

   4One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

   5The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

   6The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.

   7All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.

   8All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing.

   9The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

   10Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

   11There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

   12I the Preacher was king over Israel in Jerusalem.

   13And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith.

   14I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit.

   15That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered.

   16I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge.

   17And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also [giving your heart to know wisdom] is vexation of spirit.

   18For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.


Ecclesiastes 3:
    He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

   12I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life

   14I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. [For it is God who wills....  The steps of a man are ordered by the Lord...]


   19 ....for all is vanity.

   20All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

   21Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

   22Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?

Robin:
My carnal mind has been greedy for spiritual wisdom in an attmempt to save itself.

The more my carnal mind dies the more I am at peace with what the day holds. I don't feel greedy now, but I recognized it in the past.

This is the chapter that God used to deal with my spiritual (carnal) hunger.
I don't know if anyone else can relate to it in the same way I have.
I started my journey expecting the promised land and after 10 years in the desert I started
to worry and wonder if I was crazy. I found bible-truths just at the right time to save my sanity.

Numbers 11
Fire From the LORD
 1 Now the people complained about their hardships in the hearing of the LORD, and when he heard them his anger was aroused. Then fire from the LORD burned among them and consumed some of the outskirts of the camp. 2 When the people cried out to Moses, he prayed to the LORD and the fire died down. 3 So that place was called Taberah, [a] because fire from the LORD had burned among them.
Quail from the LORD
 4 The rabble with them began to crave other food, and again the Israelites started wailing and said, "If only we had meat to eat! 5 We remember the fish we ate in Egypt at no cost—also the cucumbers, melons, leeks, onions and garlic. 6 But now we have lost our appetite; we never see anything but this manna!"
 7 The manna was like coriander seed and looked like resin. 8 The people went around gathering it, and then ground it in a handmill or crushed it in a mortar. They cooked it in a pot or made it into cakes. And it tasted like something made with olive oil. 9 When the dew settled on the camp at night, the manna also came down.

 10 Moses heard the people of every family wailing, each at the entrance to his tent. The LORD became exceedingly angry, and Moses was troubled. 11 He asked the LORD, "Why have you brought this trouble on your servant? What have I done to displease you that you put the burden of all these people on me? 12 Did I conceive all these people? Did I give them birth? Why do you tell me to carry them in my arms, as a nurse carries an infant, to the land you promised on oath to their forefathers? 13 Where can I get meat for all these people? They keep wailing to me, 'Give us meat to eat!' 14 I cannot carry all these people by myself; the burden is too heavy for me. 15 If this is how you are going to treat me, put me to death right now—if I have found favor in your eyes—and do not let me face my own ruin."

 16 The LORD said to Moses: "Bring me seventy of Israel's elders who are known to you as leaders and officials among the people. Have them come to the Tent of Meeting, that they may stand there with you. 17 I will come down and speak with you there, and I will take of the Spirit that is on you and put the Spirit on them. They will help you carry the burden of the people so that you will not have to carry it alone.

 18 "Tell the people: 'Consecrate yourselves in preparation for tomorrow, when you will eat meat. The LORD heard you when you wailed, "If only we had meat to eat! We were better off in Egypt!" Now the LORD will give you meat, and you will eat it. 19 You will not eat it for just one day, or two days, or five, ten or twenty days, 20 but for a whole month—until it comes out of your nostrils and you loathe it—because you have rejected the LORD, who is among you, and have wailed before him, saying, "Why did we ever leave Egypt?" ' "

 21 But Moses said, "Here I am among six hundred thousand men on foot, and you say, 'I will give them meat to eat for a whole month!' 22 Would they have enough if flocks and herds were slaughtered for them? Would they have enough if all the fish in the sea were caught for them?"

 23 The LORD answered Moses, "Is the LORD's arm too short? You will now see whether or not what I say will come true for you."

 24 So Moses went out and told the people what the LORD had said. He brought together seventy of their elders and had them stand around the Tent. 25 Then the LORD came down in the cloud and spoke with him, and he took of the Spirit that was on him and put the Spirit on the seventy elders. When the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied, but they did not do so again.

 26 However, two men, whose names were Eldad and Medad, had remained in the camp. They were listed among the elders, but did not go out to the Tent. Yet the Spirit also rested on them, and they prophesied in the camp. 27 A young man ran and told Moses, "Eldad and Medad are prophesying in the camp."

 28 Joshua son of Nun, who had been Moses' aide since youth, spoke up and said, "Moses, my lord, stop them!"

 29 But Moses replied, "Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the LORD's people were prophets and that the LORD would put his Spirit on them!" 30 Then Moses and the elders of Israel returned to the camp.

 31 Now a wind went out from the LORD and drove quail in from the sea. It brought them [c] down all around the camp to about three feet [d] above the ground, as far as a day's walk in any direction. 32 All that day and night and all the next day the people went out and gathered quail. No one gathered less than ten homers. [e] Then they spread them out all around the camp. 33 But while the meat was still between their teeth and before it could be consumed, the anger of the LORD burned against the people, and he struck them with a severe plague. 34 Therefore the place was named Kibroth Hattaavah, [f] because there they buried the people who had craved other food.

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