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Spiritual greedy?
Roy Monis:
Hi! accomplishedart_is;notme
I am aware of all the Scriptural quotes from "vanityandvexation" and "M.G." and I fully agree with you that the term "Spiritually Greedy" as used by me does sound a bit weird, in fact a lot weird. What I was trying to say was that if the choice was between the excesses of the two worlds, I'd go for the Spiritual. Like Heidi, I too hunger for it and can't get enough, which amounts to greed. I hope this clears the air, or have I got it wrong yet again?
God bless you dear brother.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy
hillsbororiver:
Hi Everyone,
An interesting thread and I must say an interesting choice in words! ;)
Another way we could use what some might call a contradiction in terms would be do we "lust" after the Kingdom of God?
Does scripture speak of this desire, is it fair to use the word lust, maybe, because we are not to lust after the things of the world but is it possible to lust after spiritual purity and the fruits of the Spirit, an end to the present physical, natural, carnal world and the establishment of His Kingdom?
Are we being encouraged to be "greedy" for heavenly treasure? It appears to be the case. The terms/words greed and lust have negative connotations but replace those terms/words (which are similar in meaning if we lose the negative bias) with seek to gain and desire (which are much more positive).
Mat 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
Mat 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Look how Jesus compares how one should desire the Kingdom; if this were physical earthly treasure we might call it greed.
Mat 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
Mat 13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
Mat 13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.
Is it an honorable thing to want to know our Lord and God, to walk with Him, to learn from Him, to be perfected by Him?
Mat 13:17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
Peace,
Joe
Roy Monis:
Hi1 Joe
Picking up on your quote; Mat 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. .
A strange thing happened to me last night while saying my prayers, believe it or not. I was suddenly taken off what I was doing as thought came into my mind of something that happened while I was in hospital a long time ago. In the locker was the usual Gideon's Bible and along side it was another New Testament Bible on its own without the Old Testament, possibly left by some previous patient. At the time I thought that this was a gross violation of the command not to add to or take away from the Word of God. Then I went back to what I was about in the first place - prayer. Why my mind suddenly blacked out and went onto this incident for just a brief moment, I have no idea.
Now as I read your reference to Matt.13:44 in the current topic that incident came to mind and it occurred to me that what they had done by taking away the whole OT was to remove the field in which the treasures had been burred by the men of God who had received them in ancient times, thereby leaving the readers of it without the necessary digging tools to unearth the treasures they were seeking.
Just a silly passing thought Joe, thanks for your contribution.
God bless
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy.
musicman:
The only thought I can add on the subject of "spiritual greed" is perhaps some lack the patience to wait for God's gifts of spirit. I myself, constantly want to know more and more to increase my hope at this time. I am not doing well with patience. I want to at least know enough to be certain that the scriptures are reliable. It would also be nice if I could fathom living in the likes of Christ. Aint happening now. I think when churchians and Moslems speak of heavenly treasures they are often greedy of the mansions and or 72 virgins. Just give me one virgin right now and. . . oh, never mind.
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Roy Monis UK on April 29, 2008, 09:11:42 AM ---Hi1 Joe
Picking up on your quote; Mat 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. .
A strange thing happened to me last night while saying my prayers, believe it or not. I was suddenly taken off what I was doing as thought came into my mind of something that happened while I was in hospital a long time ago. In the locker was the usual Gideon's Bible and along side it was another New Testament Bible on its own without the Old Testament, possibly left by some previous patient. At the time I thought that this was a gross violation of the command not to add to or take away from the Word of God. Then I went back to what I was about in the first place - prayer. Why my mind suddenly blacked out and went onto this incident for just a brief moment, I have no idea.
Now as I read your reference to Matt.13:44 in the current topic that incident came to mind and it occurred to me that what they had done by taking away the whole OT was to remove the field in which the treasures had been burred by the men of God who had received them in ancient times, thereby leaving the readers of it without the necessary digging tools to unearth the treasures they were seeking.
Just a silly passing thought Joe, thanks for your contribution.
God bless
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy.
--- End quote ---
Hi Roy,
Not silly at all but rather an astute observation as well as a very interesting experience.
I agree wholeheartedly with you about the OT, I remember clearly how exciting and even joyful I was when the Old Testament began to open up to me for really the first time (about 3 years ago).
Before then in my brief and limited church experience and the scores of "Christian" books I read the OT was basically a history of physical Israel, the treasure was discovered (from the Spirit through Ray's articles) when it began to show the deeper and more profound spiritual prophecies from those shadows of physical Israel's experience(s).
Thank you Brother.
Peace,
Joe
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