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Acts 23:8
Roy Monis:
Hi! everyone.
I'm trying to figure out what resurrection the Pharisees believed in. Without Jesus in the picture the only other resurrection available was the resurrection to judgment, which to me means judgment of All Mankind. This in a way confirms that all mankind will eventually be saved.
Just another vague thought.
God bless.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy.
kweli:
That there is a very good question. Since the Pharisees are likened to modern day christians then maybe they are the best people to ask
;D ;D ;D
Come to think of it, their response will be more heresy. No wonder Jesus said to them:
18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children. (Matthew 11:18-19)
Kat:
Hi Roy,
I got this from Matthew Henry's commentary, I think it gives a pretty good description of these two groups.
1. The great council was made up of Sadducees and Pharisees, and Paul perceived it. He knew the characters of many of them ever since he lived among them, and saw those among them whom he knew to be Sadducees, and others whom he knew to be Pharisees (Act_23:6): One part were Sadducees and the other Pharisees, and perhaps nearly an equal part.
Now these differed very much from one another, and yet they ordinarily agreed well enough to do the business of the council together.
(1.) The Pharisees were bigots, zealous for the ceremonies, not only those which God had appointed, but those which were enjoined by the tradition of the elders. They were great sticklers for the authority of the church, and for enforcing obedience to its injunctions, which occasioned many quarrels between them and our Lord Jesus; but at the same time they were very orthodox in the faith of the Jewish church concerning the world of spirits, the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.
(2.) The Sadducees were deists - no friends to the scripture, or divine revelation. The books of Moses they admitted as containing a good history and a good law, but had little regard to the other books of the Old Testament.
The account here given of these Sadducees is,
[1.] That they deny the resurrection; not only the return of the body to life, but a future state of rewards and punishments. They had neither hope of eternal happiness nor dread of eternal misery, nor expectation of any thing on the other side death; and it was upon these principles that they said, It is in vain to serve God, and called the proud happy, Mal_3:14, Mal_3:15.
[2.] That they denied the existence of angels and spirits, and allowed of no being but matter. They thought that God himself was corporeal, and had parts and members as we have. When they read of angels in the Old Testament, they supposed them to be messengers that God made and sent on his errands as there was occasion, or that they were impressions on the fancies of those they were sent to, and no real existences - that they were this, or that, or any thing rather than what they were. And, as for the souls of men, they looked upon them to be nothing else but the temperament of the humours of the body, or the animal spirits, but denied their existence in a state of separation from the body, and any difference between the soul of a man and of a beast.
These, no doubt, pretended to be free-thinkers, but really thought as meanly, absurdly, and slavishly, as possible. It is strange how men of such corrupt and wicked principles could come into office, and have a place in the great sanhedrim; but many of them were of quality and estate, and they complied with the public establishment, and so got in and kept in.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: Kat on May 08, 2008, 09:15:55 AM ---Hi Roy,
I got this from Matthew Henry's commentary, I think it gives a pretty good description of these two groups.
1. The great council was made up of Sadducees and Pharisees, and Paul perceived it. He knew the characters of many of them ever since he lived among them, and saw those among them whom he knew to be Sadducees, and others whom he knew to be Pharisees (Act_23:6): One part were Sadducees and the other Pharisees, and perhaps nearly an equal part.
Now these differed very much from one another, and yet they ordinarily agreed well enough to do the business of the council together.
(1.) The Pharisees were bigots, zealous for the ceremonies, not only those which God had appointed, but those which were enjoined by the tradition of the elders. They were great sticklers for the authority of the church, and for enforcing obedience to its injunctions, which occasioned many quarrels between them and our Lord Jesus; but at the same time they were very orthodox in the faith of the Jewish church concerning the world of spirits, the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.
(2.) The Sadducees were deists - no friends to the scripture, or divine revelation. The books of Moses they admitted as containing a good history and a good law, but had little regard to the other books of the Old Testament.
The account here given of these Sadducees is,
[1.] That they deny the resurrection; not only the return of the body to life, but a future state of rewards and punishments. They had neither hope of eternal happiness nor dread of eternal misery, nor expectation of any thing on the other side death; and it was upon these principles that they said, It is in vain to serve God, and called the proud happy, Mal_3:14, Mal_3:15.
[2.] That they denied the existence of angels and spirits, and allowed of no being but matter. They thought that God himself was corporeal, and had parts and members as we have. When they read of angels in the Old Testament, they supposed them to be messengers that God made and sent on his errands as there was occasion, or that they were impressions on the fancies of those they were sent to, and no real existences - that they were this, or that, or any thing rather than what they were. And, as for the souls of men, they looked upon them to be nothing else but the temperament of the humours of the body, or the animal spirits, but denied their existence in a state of separation from the body, and any difference between the soul of a man and of a beast.
These, no doubt, pretended to be free-thinkers, but really thought as meanly, absurdly, and slavishly, as possible. It is strange how men of such corrupt and wicked principles could come into office, and have a place in the great sanhedrim; but many of them were of quality and estate, and they complied with the public establishment, and so got in and kept in.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Hi! Kath.
I understand what you are saying. But what I'm driving at is this; our goal is the resurrection to Life through belief in our Lord Jesus Christ, now their resurrection must of necessity have a goal of sorts also, so what is that goal? Ours is Life, what is theirs?
Not that it really matters because I'm no Pharisee, but it's nice to know. Man's inquisitiveness I suppose.
Thanks for your response
God bless.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy.
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: kweli on May 08, 2008, 08:54:05 AM ---That there is a very good question. Since the Pharisees are likened to modern day christians then maybe they are the best people to ask
;D ;D ;D
Come to think of it, their response will be more heresy. No wonder Jesus said to them:
18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children. (Matthew 11:18-19)
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Hi! Kweli
Heh! brother you're a big help, where on earth am I going to find a Pharisee? Do you know of one? Please introduce me and I, maybe, will get all my facts right.
Thanks brother all the same.
God bless.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy.
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