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Acts 23:8
ericsteven:
Hi Roy,
Would it be helpful to suggest that the Pharisees believed in the same resurrection that we do, that of the resurrection to "eternal" life and the resurrection to judgement? They, unlike the Saducees who only accepted the Pentateuch, believed in all the Old Covenant scriptures that foretold that the Messiah would come to resurrect his followers to "eternal" life; they just didn't believe that that Messiah was Jesus.
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt.
Job 14:7 For there is hope of a tree, if it be cut down, that it will sprout again, and that the tender branch thereof will not cease.
Job 14:13-14 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! If a man die, shall he live [again]? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.
Job 19:25-27 As for me, I know that my Redeemer lives, And at the last He will take His stand on the earth. Even after my skin is destroyed, Yet from my flesh I shall see God, Whom I myself shall behold, And whom my eyes will see and not another.
Here's another viewpoint I found that's a little different. Don't know how worthy it is, but from their perspective it makes sense and could be helpful in your study.
The Pharisees’ affirmation and the Sadducees’ denial of resurrection needs to be understood in the context of what ‘resurrection’ meant to first-century Jews. Resurrection, while focusing attention on the new embodiment of the individuals involved, retained its original sense of the restoration of Israel by her covenant god. As such, ‘resurrection’ was not simply a pious hope about new life for dead people. It carried with it all that was associated with the return from exile itself: forgiveness of sins, the re-establishment of Israel as the true humanity of the covenant god, and the renewal of all creation.
God bless,
Eric
Kat:
Hi Roy,
I think this is interesting. It is good to have an understanding of what those that Jesus spoke to believed. We read many things about the Pharisee in Scripture, so it would be helpful to know a bit more about them. It seems a little complicated, as they seemed to have a change of beliefs down through the centuries. But I think this is a good basic explanation.
A sections from the JewishEncyclopedia.com ---
As a matter of fact, resurrection formed part of the Messianic hope. Especially were those that died as martyrs in the cause of the Law expected to share in the future glory of Israel. The very term used to express the idea of sharing in the future life is "to inherit the land". The resurrection, therefore, was believed to take place solely in the Holy Land. Jerusalem alone is the city of which the dead shall blossom forth like grass. Those that are buried elsewhere will therefore be compelled to creep through cavities in the earth until they reach the Holy Land.
The trumpet blown to gather the tribes of Israel, will also rouse the dead. The nations, together with their guardian angels and stars, shall be cast into Gehenna. According to R. Eleazar of Modi'im, to the angelic princes of the seventy-two nations who will protest because, though it has sinned like the rest, God favors Israel, God will answer, "Let each nation go through the fire together with its guardian deity "; then all the nations will be consumed in common with their deities, who can not shield them, but Israel will be saved by its God.
Another view is that the glare of the sun will test the heathen's loyalty to the Law they promised to observe, and they will be cast into the eternal fire.
The conception of God entering Hades to save Israel from Gehenna gave rise to the Christian conception of the Messiah descending into Hades to reclaim his own among those who are imprisoned there.
The sole end of the judgment of the heathen is, according to R. Eleazar of Modi'im, the establishment of the kingdom of God. "When the Messiah appears on the roof of the Temple announcing Israel's redemption, the light emanating from him shall cause the nations to fall prostrate before him; and Satan himself will shudder, for the Messiah will cast him into Gehenna, and death and sorrow shall flee forever".
As in the course of time the national hope with its national resurrection and final day of judgment no longer satisfied the intellect and human sentiment, the resurrection assumed a more universal and cosmic character.
It was declared to be solely the act of God, who alone possesses the key that will unlock the tombs. "As all men are born and die, so will they rise again," says Eleazar ha-Ḳappar. It was believed that resurrection would occur at the close of the Messianic era. This is particularly emphasized in II Esd. vii. 26-36: "Death will befall the Messiah, after his 400 years' reign, and all mankind and the world will lapse into primeval silence for seven days, after which the renewed earth will give forth its dead, and God will judge the world and assign the evil-doers to the fire of hell and the righteous to paradise, which is on the opposite side." Also, according to Syriac Apoc. Baruch, the resurrection will take place after the Messiah has "returned to heaven" and will include all men, the righteous to meet their reward, and the wicked to meet their eternal doom. This lasting doom is called "second death".
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: Kat on May 08, 2008, 12:29:09 PM ---
Hi Roy,
I think this is interesting. It is good to have an understanding of what those that Jesus spoke to believed. We read many things about the Pharisee in Scripture, so it would be helpful to know a bit more about them. It seems a little complicated, as they seemed to have a change of beliefs down through the centuries. But I think this is a good basic explanation.
A sections from the JewishEncyclopedia.com ---
As a matter of fact, resurrection formed part of the Messianic hope. Especially were those that died as martyrs in the cause of the Law expected to share in the future glory of Israel. The very term used to express the idea of sharing in the future life is "to inherit the land". The resurrection, therefore, was believed to take place solely in the Holy Land. Jerusalem alone is the city of which the dead shall blossom forth like grass. Those that are buried elsewhere will therefore be compelled to creep through cavities in the earth until they reach the Holy Land.
The trumpet blown to gather the tribes of Israel, will also rouse the dead. The nations, together with their guardian angels and stars, shall be cast into Gehenna. According to R. Eleazar of Modi'im, to the angelic princes of the seventy-two nations who will protest because, though it has sinned like the rest, God favors Israel, God will answer, "Let each nation go through the fire together with its guardian deity "; then all the nations will be consumed in common with their deities, who can not shield them, but Israel will be saved by its God.
Another view is that the glare of the sun will test the heathen's loyalty to the Law they promised to observe, and they will be cast into the eternal fire.
The conception of God entering Hades to save Israel from Gehenna gave rise to the Christian conception of the Messiah descending into Hades to reclaim his own among those who are imprisoned there.
The sole end of the judgment of the heathen is, according to R. Eleazar of Modi'im, the establishment of the kingdom of God. "When the Messiah appears on the roof of the Temple announcing Israel's redemption, the light emanating from him shall cause the nations to fall prostrate before him; and Satan himself will shudder, for the Messiah will cast him into Gehenna, and death and sorrow shall flee forever".
As in the course of time the national hope with its national resurrection and final day of judgment no longer satisfied the intellect and human sentiment, the resurrection assumed a more universal and cosmic character.
It was declared to be solely the act of God, who alone possesses the key that will unlock the tombs. "As all men are born and die, so will they rise again," says Eleazar ha-Ḳappar. It was believed that resurrection would occur at the close of the Messianic era. This is particularly emphasized in II Esd. vii. 26-36: "Death will befall the Messiah, after his 400 years' reign, and all mankind and the world will lapse into primeval silence for seven days, after which the renewed earth will give forth its dead, and God will judge the world and assign the evil-doers to the fire of hell and the righteous to paradise, which is on the opposite side." Also, according to Syriac Apoc. Baruch, the resurrection will take place after the Messiah has "returned to heaven" and will include all men, the righteous to meet their reward, and the wicked to meet their eternal doom. This lasting doom is called "second death".
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Hi! Kath.
Sorry for putting you to all that trouble but it's all in the cause of learning.
After all that, to me it's more than just Dutch, it's double Dutch. One consolation though, I'm not a Pharisee nor aspiring to become one. But it was nice to know. I'll stick with Jesus Christ and await His return and hope to be among the first fruits. I think that's the right course, don't you?
Thanks a million and God bless you.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy.
Kat:
Hi Roy UK,
--- Quote ---Sorry for putting you to all that trouble but it's all in the cause of learning.
--- End quote ---
It's no trouble, but is a means by which I learn also. Lots of these questions I don't have the answer to until I search for it, so I'm learning along the way. God has blessed me with the time (to search) and desire to study here with everybody and for that I'm exceedingly grateful.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
sansmile:
Hi Kat,
And may God continue to bless you Kat, your research and posts show Holy Spirit inspiration xxxxxxxxxxxx
God Bless
Sandie
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