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EKnight

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Sins Forgiven
« on: May 14, 2008, 01:57:42 AM »

I'm a busy beaver tonight.  If I sin and then repent of my sins, my sin is forgiven right then and there right? I mean, am I going to have to be purged of those sins later at the resurrection?


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Craig

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Re: Sins Forgiven
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2008, 08:47:43 AM »

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If I sin and then repent of my sins, my sin is forgiven right then and there right?

Wrong, Your sins and the sins of the world were forgiven long ago when Jesus died for our sins.  But we are still accountable for for our sins and if we don't find ourselves purged of them in this life then we will be purged of them in the age/ages to come. 

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If I sin and then repent of my sins

If you sin and repent of the sin today, will you do the same sin tomorrow? next week? next year? anytime in the rest of your life?  If you don't actually do the sin, is the desire still in your heart? Do you struggle with it?  If you answer yes to any of these questions then you got some purging to go through.

Sinners will not inherit the kingdom of God, but the desire and will to sin will eventually be "burned and purged" from everyone.  They will be purified as gold is purified by burning out the impurities. 

Ray's Lake of fire series would be a good study for you to undertake.

Craig
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KristaD

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Re: Sins Forgiven
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2008, 10:30:19 AM »

Ohhh you should watch this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8002341307008336909&q=l+ray+smith&ei=z5skSJq6G5784ALZ9u2tDA
It covers your question and then some :).
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winner08

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Re: Sins Forgiven
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2008, 11:08:03 PM »

I have a question about people and sinning. After the disciples were giving the Holy Spirit, did they commit any sin? Did they go through the rest of their lives sin free? I don't know. Nothing is impossible for God. But I would dare to say they sinned and they repented, and God forgave them. I think until we are made from corruptible to incorruptible we will fight against sin.

                                               Darren
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Kat

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Re: Sins Forgiven
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2008, 01:30:48 AM »


Hi Darren,

Here is a section from the transcript of the Bible study 'CAN WE LOSE GODíS SPIRIT AND EONIAN LIFE?'  That Bible study would give you a lot of help with this subject.  There is also an email that addresses this question.

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7047.0.html -----

1John 3:9  Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sinÖ

He means to practice - be committing - repetitively committing, you canít practice it.  It doesnít mean we wonít sin, we all sin, we all make mistakes, we all say dumb things and do dumb things.   But you are not to make a practice of it.  I mean youíll goof up, you can try your best and youíre still going to screw up.  But if you practice what you know is wrong, then I mean you are a long way from living right.

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5854.0.html ---

Dear Jim: I will make a few COMMENTS on your email................
 
Dear Ray,
Your teachings have changed my life, you are really God appointed and not self or others appointed. I really need the answer to this question to solidify things for me. You say we have to have sin out of our lives to be the chosen, does God make us perfect through Christ? can you show me through scripture that that is not just positionally but in behavior also.
 
COMMENT:  No Believer is "perfect" and totally free from sin while he is still in this flesh.  One needs to repent of their sins and be led by God's Holy Spirit into a life where one is no longer reigned over by sin.  It doesn't mean that we are perfect and sinless. Even the Apostle John near the end of his ministry plainly stated:

1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1Jo 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


  It says in James that God's seed can't sin, can the new man/creature sin? isn't that part of us perfect? do we have God's seed? what is that seed?
 
COMMENT:  There are a lot of unscriptural phrases in that set of questions that are difficult to answer as asked.
Actually, the Scripture you are trying to reference is found in I John 3:9, not in James' epistle:

1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

This is speaking of being "born" of God. No one is "born" of God until resurrection. In this life we are only "begotten."  The words "born" and "begotten" come from the same Greek word. They didn't have two different words for the two different aspects of regeneration.  Here is a Scripture that shows we have only a spiritual "begettal" in this life:

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Notice that we must wait "until" our full redemption is acquired. That happens in resurrection.  Jesus taught that when we are actually "born" of the spirit (rather than just begotten), we will be "like the wind."  None of us are "like the wind" in this life (John 3:6-8).

There are many Scriptures which speak of how we are to come out of sin, and stop sinning, even though we never achieve total perfection while we are in the flesh:

Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling savour.

Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whore monger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

Eph 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

Eph 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Eph 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

Eph 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

Eph 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

Eph 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

Eph 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

Eph 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

This is way to big a subject to cover in an email, but I hope this has been helpful to you. Read all the material on our site. Especially read the first paper at the top of our Home Page:  "YOU FOOLS! YOU HYPOCRITES! YOU SNAKES!"  This is must reading if you are to understand our walk with God.

God be with you,

Ray


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EKnight

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Re: Sins Forgiven
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2008, 01:36:22 AM »

yes Kat, that helped a lot.  Thanks for taking the time

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Martinez

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Re: Sins Forgiven
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2008, 01:48:03 AM »

Hi there!

My understanding of this is that you're sins are only a sign post that point to the condition of you're heart.
That doesn't mean that if you haven't killed 10 children and worn their heads as hats that you're any better than the guy who did, it just means you were not put into the right circumstance by God where you would do that.

So are you any better off than the guy that did do that at lake of fire time?
Not necessarily, it all depends on the condition of you're heart, which is why those who did things worthy of many stripes but didn't know will be beaten with few stripes, but those who did things worthy of few stripes and knew what they were doing will be beaten with many stripes, because what the world views as despicable and what God views as despicable are two different things.
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jerreye

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Re: Sins Forgiven
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2008, 06:57:31 AM »

Craig,

Then what does this mean:

"IF we CONFESS our SINS, He is faithful and just to FORGIVE us our sins"?

Also, if you die physically before you come to a place that you no longer DESIRE the sexy curves of a women, then you are going to the LOF?

If this be the case, then the first resurrection is going to be void of people.

Cheers,
Jeremy
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Craig

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Re: Sins Forgiven
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2008, 08:53:58 AM »

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If this be the case, then the first resurrection is going to be void of people.

I suspect very few.  Few are chosen.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (New International Version)

 9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

That would about cover everyone.  As Jesus taught, maybe we don't outwardly perform these sins but if they are in our heart then we are guilty.  Look, nobody can conquer these sins on their own, but God knows who they elect are and will bring them through the fire and trials of this life and bring them out cleansed for the age to come.

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"IF we CONFESS our SINS, He is faithful and just to FORGIVE us our sins"?

I believe this is a true statement and I was not as clear as I should have been with my post.  Our sins have already been paid, when we accept responsibility for our sin then we can be forgiven, but it is our desires as much as the sin that will keep us out of the kingdom.  Judgment is what cleanses us of our desires and sinful nature.

My opinion

Craig
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