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The Florida revival
chav:
Hi
--- Quote ---What about revivals anyway ? where do they fit into the overall scheme of things ?
We had revival here in Wales 1904 ,and in the Hebrides in the fifties , were they genuine manifestations of God. or were they false signs deceiving many.
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I'm still wondering if anyone has any thoughts about my question. I'm not particularly wanting to focus on what's going on in Lakeland. However there does seem to be revivals from time to time that appear to create a genuine God consciousness within a wider community. In wales apparently, pubs (bars) closed down and the local magistrate courts sat less often ,due to the dramatic decrease in crime.I don't believe in a great end time revival particularly and I know people can make an idol out of it, but I am curious to understand the phenomenom .
cheers
Dave
KristaD:
:D Roy, honey, I was KIDDING!! Why on earth would anyone here honestly say something like that and mean it? Sarcasm man, sarcasm. ;D Thanks for getting my name right this time ;).
Kat:
Hi Dave,
--- Quote ---What about revivals anyway ? where do they fit into the overall scheme of things ?
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A revival is merely a function of the church. God and His Holy Spirit is not in the church, Satan is.
Here is an excerpt from the Lake of fire part 10, 'The Synagogue of Satan.'
http://bible-truths.com/lake10.html --------------------
THE THRONE OF SATAN THE DEVIL ALSO LOCATED
Now then, as the false apostles, and lying Jews, and synagogue of Satan are all located in the Church, where do you suppose we would find Satan’s throne, and Satan’s dwelling place to be located? Yes, that’s right: In the Church. Here is the Scriptural proof found in the messages to the church at Smyrna and Pergamos:
"Fear none of those things which you shall suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison…" (Rev. 2:10).
"I know your works and where you dwell, even where [the same place where] Satan’s seat [Greek: throne] is… were Satan [also] dwells" (Rev. 2:13).
Satan cannot imprison members of the Church unless Satan is in the Church. His throne is in the Church. His dwelling place is in the Church.. His synagogue is in the Church.
And think not that Satan merely makes an occasional visit to the Church. No, Satan is permanently in the Church until God removes him. The Greek word from which the translators give us "dwelleth" in the KJV is kataoideo, and it’s meaning is: "To house permanently" (Strong’s Greek Dictionary, page 136). Satan not only has his false apostles in the Church, and his congregation of unconverted lying Jews in the Church, and his synagogue in the Church, and his very throne in the Church, but Satan himself dwells permanently in the Church.
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Ever since Pentecost the church has been in apostasy, characterized by all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs, and wonders (2 Thes. 2:3, 6-10). The church is serving a purpose in God plan.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Here are excerpts from the transcript 'How we got the Bible.'
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5815.0.html -------
Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the day of the Lord come, That great and notable day.
Did that happen on Pentecost? Yes it did! How so? How did the sun not give it’s light? How did the moon instead of reflecting light, turn to blood?
Light is symbolic of God’s Truth. Jesus Christ is the light. The brightest physical symbol of light, brightness, this is our sun. So light comes from the strongest source. God - Jesus Christ is that light.
John the Baptist said, “that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light,” (John 3:19). But He was that light. The Son gives light, that’s direct revelation from God.
Now the moon is the reflected light. That should come through the church and through the ministry. They get it from the Son. The moon (church) reflects it’s light from the Son (Christ), it doesn’t have it’s own light (Truth). If the sun went out, the moon would go out, because the moon has no light, it’s reflected light.
So as the ministry gets light, they give it to the congregation, they feed the sheep.
But what did He say would happen, starting on Pentecost? The sun/Son isn’t going to give it’s light anymore. God is not going to give direct light to the people anymore. The light that should be coming, that was already given to the moon, to be reflected, now it’s not going to give it’s light. It’s going to be turned to blood. What is this talking about?
Their revelation from God was going to cease. Apostasy is going to set in. The church is going to go amuck and instead of teaching the light from God and passing it on, they are going to turn to blood. How so?
Well on that very day they stoned Stephen (Acts 7). Instead of giving light to the world as a secondary light, they turned to blood. They turned murderers.
Tomorrow we are going to go through and see how many men, who wanted to present God’s Word to everyday people like us, they had to pay with their lives. Well who would do such a dastardly thing? The moon! The secondary light of God’s Truth - the church - the Popes - the Bishops. If you even had…. you didn’t have to teach it or even read it, if you were found with a copy of Tyndale’s Bible, you were put to death. I mean it was pretty bad.
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So the Apostles began to realize that they were not going to see Christ set up His kingdom. They knew it was going to be down the road sometimes.
Now they were also given inspiration and prophesies and revelations that there was going to be an apostasy. That there was going to be a falling away from the Truth and it was happening then.
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Because there was apostasy coming in the church. There is crime and corruption entering in; false prophets, antichrists, strong delusions. It says men shall be lovers of themselves, disobedient, proud, vain, booster, lovers of pleasure (II Tim. 3) and all of these things are coming into the church. So they need to be sure that everybody knows what is the Truth. Now they are going to set aside the books for the final canonization, as what are the Scriptures.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
roundbellygroove:
OK I'm a little confused> ???
I was just wonder is it possible that God can still be somewhere in all those revivals? I mean in all reality God is always working his will at all times with everyone whether they know it or not. Right? Now before everyone starts calling heresy, here me out!
I going to state something that is obvious to me. Please correct me if I'm wrong.(I encourage it ;)]
It is apparent to me that God works with humanity within two mind sets... The first mindset is the good ole' myth of "free will" and the other is of the awareness that nothing is happening without God's say. God is working his will at all times. I understand that it is God who has willed for the majority of humanity to be under the delusion of "free will" and has chosen a few to know otherwise. My point is... who's to say that God isn't working somehow in those revivals?
The only reason I'm asking is because I have three friends that just came back from that revival in Florida this past weekend Revived! Now understand I don't keep friends that are nut cases, wack jobs or religious weirdos. I am very cautious with whom I keep company with. I have always been that way. Now having said that; my three friends are not of the persuasion that we share here at the BT forums. However, for people whom operates under the "free will" mindset they are really solid people by nature and have a huge passion for loving Jesus, The Father and his Word. It is evident in everything that they do. So when they tell me that God has worked something in them or confirmed a specific direction in their lives...I believe them! Mostly because whenever they say "God has placed something in their Heart" it comes to past. My question is this. Is it possible for someone who believes in that they are responsible for their own decisions and actions to "hear" from God? IE. in a church, or at a revivals etc...
Hum :-\Or maybe its because they went to the revival with great expectation to hear from God and not necessarily the revival itself?
Personally. I don't find the need to go to the Florida, Toronto, or wherever to hear from God. Through Ray's teachings I have discovered that God speaks to me through my life and all of my experiences. I am greatful that God has set me free from all the bondages that comes with the delusion of "free will". However I'm still curious about the subject.
Oh! by the way... One of my friends that attended the revival told me that there was someone out there with a bullhorn saying that the revival was of the devil and all kind of other things. That wasn't anyone here from the forum was it? LOL :D
roundbelly
winner08:
roundbellygrove my name is Darren and I posted a post in the testimonial section. Anyways I had a great experience at a revival 20yrs ago. But after sharing my news in the forum I'm confused. I came out of that revival so happy and content. To this day I have never felt that way. So If it's Satans work why would I feel so good. I thought the works of Satan is evil Or was that part of the deception.
Darren
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