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The Holy Spirit, (HIMSELF)
Kat:
Hi Jeremy,
--- Quote ---When I say it was the SAME SPIRIT that gives life to animals (and all physical life), I mean it all came from the ONE spirit OF GOD (remember, the spirit has MANY FUNCTIONS - this is the KEY I am talking about).
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I understand where you are coming from, all being the same spirit, but with different functions. But I am looking at how the Scriptures use this word as "spirits."
We have in Hebrews "Father of spirits" implying there is more than one spirit.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
In Romans we have where "the Spirit of God" is spoken of separately from "our spirit," this would also imply more than one Spirit.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
Then there is this in Revelations about "the seven Spirits of God" and I'm not real clear on this one, but it does indicate more than one spirit.
Rev 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Rev 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
We know "all things are from God" (1 Cor. 11:12), so to say it's the same because it came from God could apply to everything, even "unclean spirits," mentioned many times in the NT.
When the Scriptures speak of the "same spirit," it is always speaking of the Believers who have been given the Holy Spirit.
1Co 12:4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
v. 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit,
v. 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit,
v. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.
2Co 4:13 And since we have the same spirit of faith, according to what is written, "I believed and therefore I spoke," we also believe and therefore speak,
2Co 12:18 I urged Titus, and sent our brother with him. Did Titus take advantage of you? Did we not walk in the same spirit? Did we not walk in the same steps?
This may all be a matter of semantics, as we may all be trying to say the same thing but just saying it in different ways. But we all need to say the same thing, so as to understand each other :)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
jerreye:
Hi Kat,
Thank you for those scriptures :)
I certainly believe that there are "many" spirits, in that sense. We are considered a "spirit". Angels are "spirits". However, everything about our "spirit" came from the ONE SOURCE, which is God's spirit (or spirit OF God). The "seven spirits" in Revelation, I believe, is symbolic of His completeness, as we know that "7" is a symbolic number of completeness. This, to me, would symbolize all of the methods/functions/doings/workings etc of His Spirit.
There are many spirits out there, but the source of everyones "spirit" comes from that SINGLE source, and that is the ONE spirit OF God. This is what I mean by ONE spirit.
I'll quote that verse again:
Eph 4:3-6 "There is ONE body [of Christ] and ONE Spirit [of which come ALL "spirits", good works, life, etc, etc.]...ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism..."
I also believe that these verses which you gave are perfect in showing this:
--- Quote ---1Co 12:4 There are diversities of gifts [many different Gifts], but the same [ONE] Spirit.
v. 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit,
v. 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings [another function OF that spirit] by the same Spirit,
v. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.
2Co 4:13 And since we have the same spirit of faith ["faith" being yet another function OF that spirit, which He gives to whom He wills], according to what is written, "I believed and therefore I spoke," we also believe and therefore speak,
2Co 12:18 I urged Titus, and sent our brother with him. Did Titus take advantage of you? Did we not walk in the same spirit? Did we not walk in the same steps?
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This is my personal conviction. 8)
God Bless,
Jeremy
PS: I think you are right, Kat, we may be saying the same thing, it is just that we may think a bit differently.
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: jerreye on May 25, 2008, 03:14:06 AM ---Hi Kat,
Thank you for those scriptures :)
I certainly believe that there are "many" spirits, in that sense. We are considered a "spirit". Angels are "spirits". However, everything about our "spirit" came from the ONE SOURCE, which is God's spirit (or spirit OF God). The "seven spirits" in Revelation, I believe, is symbolic of His completeness, as we know that "7" is a symbolic number of completeness. This, to me, would symbolize all of the methods/functions/doings/workings etc of His Spirit.
There are many spirits out there, but the source of everyones "spirit" comes from that SINGLE source, and that is the ONE spirit OF God. This is what I mean by ONE spirit.
I'll quote that verse again:
Eph 4:3-6 "There is ONE body [of Christ] and ONE Spirit [of which come ALL "spirits", good works, life, etc, etc.]...ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism..."
I also believe that these verses which you gave are perfect in showing this:
--- Quote ---1Co 12:4 There are diversities of gifts [many different Gifts], but the same [ONE] Spirit.
v. 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit,
v. 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings [another function OF that spirit] by the same Spirit,
v. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.
2Co 4:13 And since we have the same spirit of faith ["faith" being yet another function OF that spirit, which He gives to whom He wills], according to what is written, "I believed and therefore I spoke," we also believe and therefore speak,
2Co 12:18 I urged Titus, and sent our brother with him. Did Titus take advantage of you? Did we not walk in the same spirit? Did we not walk in the same steps?
--- End quote ---
This is my personal conviction. 8)
God Bless,
Jeremy
PS: I think you are right, Kat, we may be saying the same thing, it is just that we may think a bit differently.
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Hi! Jeremy And Kath.
When all is said and done I think we are all speaking the same language. I didn't mean any disrespect to you Jeremy, forgive me if it came over as such. My main concern was with direct reference to the Spirit of the Father and Son. It was meant in this sense that on occasion I have noticed he with reference to Jesus and sometimes, not often mind you, father with reference to the Father. It is often in such cases that the Holy Spirit is referred to as holy spirit.
I do believe that Craig's solution is the best way out. Each one to their own conscience and then leave it for the Father to decide, right or wrong.
This is not an idol of my heart, but if it is then I like it very much and will not try to get rid of it because I love my Father and His Son and I can see no Scripture that denies me that privilege, if you do find one please let me know and I will accept immediately.
Thanks for your input, it has been very helpful indeed in many areas of my thinking.
God bless you in your walk in Christ.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
jerreye:
Hi Roy, I think I agree with you in that we are basically speaking the same language. And don't worry, I definitely know you didn't mean any disrespect! :)
God Bless you,
Jeremy
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