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UncleBeau:
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--- Quote from: musicman on May 21, 2008, 07:04:54 AM ---Darren,
Showing someone a hell that does not exist is not a Godly, rather a Satanic thing to do. It would teach them nothing of value.
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I don't want to get in a debate here, but when you say that nothing of value can be learned from Satan aren't you writing off the entire Book of Job. Since God Himself sends strong delusion while at the same time having a perfect plan to bring all humanity into His image, then there must be a reason and a value to deception. The existence of hell is certainly a strong delusion -- a very, very, very strong delusion.
We must eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil -- that means getting deceived, doing the wrong thing, and learning some valuable lessons from God's tool known as Satan. God created Satan and called all of His creation "very good" so I wouldn't just write off the lessons we learn from Satan as being of no value.
Carol
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Lessons we learn from Satan? Sorry, but Satan is not our teacher. Do you really think Job learned something from Satan? Did Job say, "Satan givith and Satan taketh away?" Jesus Christ told us to follow Him, that means to think like he thinks, do what he does, etc... Did HE learn anything from Satan?! Seriously... To say that deception is valuable in that way is putting the wrong value on it. We are to carefully weigh and measure everything we're given. Deception is the contrast to truth! Without it, we can't know truth. There's no such thing as valuable deception.
hillsbororiver:
Hi Beau,
Although I agree that seeking wisdom or knowledge directly from Satan would be more than counter productive God uses him for His own purposes, especially in keeping us humble and dependant on Him.
Remember Job and Paul, Paul's words;
2Co 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
Peace,
Joe
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: UncleBeau on May 24, 2008, 11:26:02 AM ---
--- Quote from: carol v on May 23, 2008, 07:52:08 AM ---
--- Quote from: musicman on May 21, 2008, 07:04:54 AM ---Darren,
Showing someone a hell that does not exist is not a Godly, rather a Satanic thing to do. It would teach them nothing of value.
--- End quote ---
I don't want to get in a debate here, but when you say that nothing of value can be learned from Satan aren't you writing off the entire Book of Job. Since God Himself sends strong delusion while at the same time having a perfect plan to bring all humanity into His image, then there must be a reason and a value to deception. The existence of hell is certainly a strong delusion -- a very, very, very strong delusion.
We must eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil -- that means getting deceived, doing the wrong thing, and learning some valuable lessons from God's tool known as Satan. God created Satan and called all of His creation "very good" so I wouldn't just write off the lessons we learn from Satan as being of no value.
Carol
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Lessons we learn from Satan? Sorry, but Satan is not our teacher. Do you really think Job learned something from Satan? Did Job say, "Satan givith and Satan taketh away?" Jesus Christ told us to follow Him, that means to think like he thinks, do what he does, etc... Did HE learn anything from Satan?! Seriously... To say that deception is valuable in that way is putting the wrong value on it. We are to carefully weigh and measure everything we're given. Deception is the contrast to truth! Without it, we can't know truth. There's no such thing as valuable deception.
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Hi! Beau
Somewhere down the line I seem to remember a very true saying, not Scriptural, that goes something likethis:
"Once bit, twice shy." So I think we can learn from Satan. We can learn to be wide awake and not fall for his evil deception ever again. Or is my thinking contrary to the truth?
No offense intended, just an opinion.
God bless you.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
rk12201960:
HI all,
If we think satan isn't of value then we sit oh Gods throne.
As Carol said God saw that is was "very good."
There are so many things that I don't understand why God does things as He does, but thats mountains I have to overcome.
Satan is here for a reason and God saw that it was very good.
Have faith. God does not lie.
Wisdom and peace to all.
Randy
carol v:
--- Quote from: UncleBeau on May 24, 2008, 11:26:02 AM ---
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Deception is the contrast to truth! Without it, we can't know truth. There's no such thing as valuable deception.
Uncle Beau -- do you not see how you have contradicted yourself and proved my point while trying to argue against it. Without evil we cannot know good. Without sad we cannot know happy. And yes, as you just said, without deception we cannot know truth. These are God's methods so they are MOST valuable. And Satan is God's tool that God created so to question the value of Satan is to question God Himself.
Carol
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