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Near Death Experiences
GinaMilan:
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--- Quote from: soberxp on June 20, 2010, 07:36:42 PM ---I have experience,and I have seen some dark stuff,ghost like a shadow and burning but no light,the ghost don't receive light,unlike the light,the ghost didn't sunshine,some kind of "dark-shine" ,maybe the ghost come from hell,maybe I will go to hell.
if you don't believe in me,just ignore.
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?????????
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haha.
Dear Soberxp, I don't suppose whatever ghost you've seen wouldn't happen to be the negative of your profile picture, would it? ( ;) ;) nudge-nudge) haha And I want to personally thank you for allowing us to ignore what you've said. Can we also recommend that you be banned?
Just kidding!
Dawidos:
Dear Gina
I think the post of our friend was full of irony. He showed how low he valued NDEs. I hope he meant that exactly ;)
Anyway, I must stand in defence of those who had NDEs. You will always find people who like using something for his own agenda, like Bill Wiese has done. But we shouldn't treat others as liars. NDE is a fact, the cause is not known (yet), it can be stricly physiological like our dreams are. It's obvious that we are talking here about being "clinically dead", not dead at all. But the most important thing is that many NDEs had a very positive impact on survivor's life. Mostly they stopped being selfish and materialistic and became more emotional, sensitive and caring for others. Therefore I conclude that NDEs might be one of God's way to change people's lives. I don't have to remind anybody that Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.. God is in control of everything and because NDE exist He undoubtedly created it for purpose. I'm not calling into question the truthfulness of the Scriptures. I'm not saying NDEs are access to afterlife when immortal souls face God directly, because thanks to Mr. Smith's teachings (and God's Spirit) I know what soul is and know there is no afterlife after our physical death.
NDE will always have a place in my heart. By reading many testimonies I got interested in religion (again) or better word for that would be "spiritual realm". NDE led me to Christianity which led me to Christian Universalism which led me to Mr. Smith's teaching which led me finally to Jesus Christ, our Lord and Master. In that case could anybody suggest my interest in NDE was a sinister plot by Satan ;) :)? If you had thought about NDE, maybe you would have found the purpose for it in my "spiritual path" :D
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Dawidos on June 21, 2010, 04:56:59 AM ---NDE led me to Christianity which led me to Christian Universalism which led me to Mr. Smith's teaching which led me finally to Jesus Christ, our Lord and Master. In that case could anybody suggest my interest in NDE was a sinister plot by Satan ;) :)? If you had thought about NDE, maybe you would have found the purpose for it in my "spiritual path" :D
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Actually Yes.
I started to go to church because I didn't want to go to hell. Which led me to apologetics. Which led me to BT and Ray's teachings. Which led me to an understanding of His Word and Christ coming into my life. Satan is said to 'deceive the whole world' [Rev 12:9], that doesn't exclude anyone save Jesus. Before one becomes the Elect, they too are deceived.
Every day we live our lives is a 'near death' experience because our lives are put a vapor, here today gone tomorrow. But as far as someone seeing or having consciousness in a state of death, I would believe the Lord before the testimony of men.
But let this not be a point of contention. There is no point to a continued debate on this issue, let's move on.
Marques
GinaMilan:
Just having a little fun. I'll try to keep a lid on it.
I understand the value people place on NDE's. I don't mean to sound insensitive. I would, too, except I watched a documentary years ago where an NDE was replicated in a lab study. Doctors exposed part of a young man's brain and stimulated different parts of his brain tissue with electrodes. The study patient, fully awake, was saying that he saw "bright lights" and "a tunnel," etc. If memory serves me correctly, the doctors involved in the study speculated that the "bright lights" and "tunnel" could be that neurons are misfiring as the brain is shutting down.
I've personally seen bright lights. Once after getting knocked upside the head, I saw twinkling lights -- you know, they're the ones that cartoonists draw around the head of a character. Hanna-Barbera of Looney Tunes fame used those twinkling stars a lot in their cartoons. haha. I did a little research and learned that happens as a result of the brain bouncing off the skull.
And per Marques, I'll just end it there. :)
Dawidos:
You are right. The final outcome is that what matters the most.
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