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EKnight:
There is the spirit that gives life to the soul, the spirit of wisdom, the Holy Spirit, Jesus' words are spirit, Ray has said that God and Jesus have the SAME spirit. Are these all the same spirit or different spirits?
Also, could someone explain to me if Jesus suffered and died on the cross for our sins why then must we still be chastised or purged of our sins in the Lake of Fire? And, did Jesus die for the sins of those who preceded his coming, ie Moses, Noah, Abraham, David and all those who lived B.C.?
I'm sure the answers are here on the forum but sometimes I read things and then forget....it's been a lifelong problem for me.
Eileen
Stevernator:
Hi Eileen,
1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live
Ephes 4:5-6
5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
2 Cor 6:14-16
For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."[
Heb 11:39-40
39These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. 40God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.
1 John 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
Do these verses help? Yes Jesus died for the sins of the world, but God is holy and light doesn't have fellowship with darkness. That's why we must become pure and holy. Yes, Jesus died for the sins all humanity including those in the OT.
For your first question here would be a good place to check:
Who and what is Jesus & Who is His Father?... Nashville Conference 2007
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.0.html
Steve
Kat:
Hi Eileen,
--- Quote ---There is the spirit that gives life to the soul, the spirit of wisdom, the Holy Spirit, Jesus' words are spirit, Ray has said that God and Jesus have the SAME spirit. Are these all the same spirit or different spirits?
--- End quote ---
Here is an section of the Trinity paper and below are some emails, I hope it helps with your questions.
http://bible-truths.com/trinity.html ----------------------
If we look for phrases such as "the holy spirit" being representative of some kind of personal being of a multi-person Godhead, we can find a plethora of "gods." Let’s count them:
God
The Father
The Highest
The Holy Ghost
The Holy Spirit
The Spirit of God
The Spirit of Christ
Jesus Christ
The Son of God. We are now up to a TRIPLE trinity.
The Mediator
The Mind of God
The Spirit of truth. Now we have a quartet of trinities
The Word was God
And to these we could add "The SEVEN Spirits of God (Rev. 4:5), etc., etc.
We are now up to twenty potential coequal candidates for this so-called triune godhead. Clearly, God is NOT a trinity or a collection of trinities. By the way, "Godhead" is not a proper translation of any Greek word, it should be translated "Deity" or "Divinity."
No matter how many different spirits there are, one thing is certain: ALL SPIRITS ARE IN SUBJECTION TO THE FATHER--NONE ARE EQUAL TO OR WITH THE FATHER, because we have Scriptural proof that God is superior to all spirits, seeing that:
"Yet shall we not much rather be subjected to the FATHER OF SPIRITS..." (Heb. 12:9)
To him who has an ear to hear; let him hear!
No, there are NOT twenty members of a coequal godhead. Not ten or even five. There are not even three or two.
"...there is ONE God, the FATHER..." (I Cor. 8:6)
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4176.0.html ----------
Dear Dwight:
ALL men (and animals) have a spirit. This spirit gives life to the body and produces soul (feelings, thinking, emotions, etc.). But God dwells in our hearts and minds by way of His HOLY Spirit, which is a different spirit.
God be with you,
Ray
--- Quote ---Also, could someone explain to me if Jesus suffered and died on the cross for our sins why then must we still be chastised or purged of our sins in the Lake of Fire? And, did Jesus die for the sins of those who preceded his coming, ie Moses, Noah, Abraham, David and all those who lived B.C.?
--- End quote ---
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3684.0.html ----------
Dear Reader:
It is in JUDGMENT that most of humanity will be saved. It is one of the damnablle heresies of the Chruch that teaches there is salvation in this life only. Read the rest of my "Lake of Fire" series for the details.
God be with you,
Ray
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4040.0.html --------
Dear Keith:
I teach STRONGLY throughout ALL MY PAPERS, spiritual baptism, spiritual circumcision, spiritual communion, spiritual repentance, etc. Where have I ever ever suggested or even hinted that ANYONE will be "saved REGARDLESS?" That is nonsense. I have not even ever thought such an absurd thing. I have taught and STATED hundred and hundreds of times in my writing and emails that unless and until one truly repents and lives a godly life through God's Holy Spirit, they will NEVER BE SAVED. But the truth is, God shows many many places in His Word that He will bring all to repentance, and He will teach them godly living, etc. That is the WHOLE PURPOSE FOR THE JUDGMENT (Isa. 26:9).
God be with you,
Ray
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1733.0.html -------
Dear Craig:
Yes, of course, what we have learned in this life will be carried over to the next. If not, what would even be the purpose for living a human life in the first place? It is the preparation and regeneration and conversion and being begotten anew from above through the Holy Spirit of God that is the prerequisite to entering the Kingdom of God. "Study to show yourself approved ['qualified'] unto God...." (II Time. 2:15).
God be with you,
Ray
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,839.0.html ----------
What did any of the ancient patriarchs know of "saving grace?" Answer: Nothing! And why is that? Because: "For the LAW was given by Moses, but GRACE AND TRUTH came by Jesus Christ" (John 1:18). Grace did not come before Christ, hence: No one was saved before Christ. "These ALL died in faith [how many? 'ALL.'] in faith [did they all have faith? Yes. Are we 'saved by faith?' NO--'By GRACE ye are saved....' Eph. 2:8. Did they nonetheless receive the promise of immortal life? NO....] NOT having received the promises..." (Heb. 11:13).
Could not the Patriarchs receive salvation through the faith that they had BEFORE Jesus came to die for their sins? NO. No Patriarch will be saved except through God's chosen elect: "And these ALL [how many? 'ALL'] having obtained a good report through faith, received NOT THE PROMISES: God having provided some better thing for US, that THEY without US should NOT be made perfect [Gk: 'complete.']" (Heb. 11:13 & 39-40).
Well then, if their faith and good report did not and cannot make them 'complete,' pray what can make them 'complete?' Answer: "And ye ['ye' believers in Jesus, not those who knew not Jesus and did not have Jesus live in them, and who were not 'crucified with Christ,' etc., etc., etc.]...and ye are COMPLETE [how?] IN H-I-M [JESUS]" (Col. 2:10), etc., etc., etc.
Sometimes, Dave, it is also good to have a 'teacher' to help you understand the things that you miss by studying on your own.
God be with you,
Ray
Roy Monis:
Dear Eileen
Just my opinion.
I believe there is a difference between the breath/spirit from God and the Spirit of God. The breath/spirit gives life to the carnal which is possessed by all living creatures, beasts and crawling things of the earth, fish of the rivers and seas, birds of the air and, yes, humans. All the same breath which returns to the Father at death. "...before the silver cord is loosed, or the golden bowl is broken, or the pitcher is broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern, and the dust returneth to the earth as it was, and the spirit returneth unto God who gave it." (Eccl.12:6,7).
This breath/spirit is the carnal which is enmity toward God, darkness.
Quite distinct from the breath/spirit is the Spirit of the Father which is Light giving Life bestowed as a gift on them who believe in God. "Be not unequally yoked with unbelievers: for what fellowship have righteousness and iniquity? or what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what portion hath a believer with an unbeliever?" (2Cor.6:14,15).
Therefore in all references to this particular Spirit I always use S as against s and H as against h. Whether Holy Spirit, He or Him it matters not, it is a reference to God who demands honour, respect, obedience, humility and reverence.
God bless you sister in our joint walk in Christ.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
Robin:
--- Quote ---This breath/spirit is the carnal which is enmity toward God, darkness
--- End quote ---
That doesn't quite ring true, but I can't come up with a reason why.
Do we inherit our carnal nature though the breath/spirit?
Did Jesus have this same breath/spirit that gave his physical body life?
Romans 7
21So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God's law; 23but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Is this sinful nature contained in our spirit? If the carnal is being put to death in his chosen elect then the breath/spirit still remains that gives our phyisical bodies life. The breath/spirit itself would not be carnal.
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