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EKnight:
Matthew 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
So which spirit is willing? And the flesh=carnal mind?
Mbongiseni:
Hi
About yuor Also, could someone explain to me if Jesus suffered and died on the cross for our sins why then must we still be chastised or purged of our sins in the Lake of Fire?I would like to refer you to the what I recently read through "Was Christ Made Sin" paper
Sorry i couldn't put a hyperlink here but i m sure you will find it.
Mbongiseni
Roy Monis:
Dear Eileen
The way I see it, and it's just my opinion.
We first receive, along with all other living creatures, the same breath/spirit from the Father. It is a weak spirit that is susceptible to deception and corruption. On death this spirit returns to the Father and the flesh which is just the temporary shelter called the tent by Paul returns to the earth from which it was taken. "...before the silver cord is loosed, or the golden bowl is broken, or the pitcher is broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern, and the dust returneth to the earth as it was, and the spirit returneth unto God who gave it." (Eccl.12:6,7).
Though Mary was impregnated by the Father, I believe that He was also given the weak breath/spirit which gave Him mortal life in a human tent so He could face temptation and overcome. "And the tempter came and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.” But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.’ ” Then the devil *took Him into the holy city and had Him stand on the pinnacle of the temple, and *said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written, ‘He will command His angels concerning You’; and ‘On their hands they will bear You up, So that You will not strike Your foot against a stone.’ ” Jesus said to him, “On the other hand, it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’ ” Again, the devil *took Him to a very high mountain and *showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory; and he said to Him, “All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me.” Then Jesus *said to him, “Go, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.’ ” Then the devil *left Him; and behold, angels came and began to minister to Him." (Matt.4:3-11).
Just like us, Jesus only received the Holy Spirit when He was baptized by John. The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him and *said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! “ This is He on behalf of whom I said, ‘After me comes a Man who has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’ “I did not recognize Him, but so that He might be manifested to Israel, I came baptizing in water.” John testified saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him. “I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.’ (Jn.1:29-33).
When we receive the Holy Spirit our weak breath/spirit experiences an inner war between two powerful forces, the pull of the flesh to the lusts of the world which is enmity toward God "Ye adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore would be a friend of the world maketh himself an enemy of God." (Jas.4:4), and the pull of the Holy Spirit towards God. “For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh, for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses. We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ, (2Cor.10:3-5).
The Holy Spirit is a gift from God granted only to all who believe and He will lead us to immortality if we overcome all the temptations and trials "But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, “Death is swallowed up in victory" (1Cor.15:54), but if we renege He will be taken away and we will end up worse than the unbeliever. "For speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones who live in error, promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved. For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them. It has happened to them according to the true proverb, “A dog returns to its own vomit,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.” (2Pet.2:18-22).
That's the only way I can explain it.
God bless you sister in our joint walk in Christ.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
Kat:
Hi Roy UK,
I just want to bring these Scriptures up for your consideration, as to what you have posted.
--- Quote ---Though Mary was impregnated by the Father, I believe that He was also given the weak breath/spirit which gave Him mortal life in a human tent so He could face temptation and overcome.
--- End quote ---
Jesus was actually conceived by the Holy Spirit, which makes Him quite different right from His conception.
Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife; for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.
He was in our "likeness." I believe this likeness gave Him the physical experience along with the pain and suffering, but not the carnal mind.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
v. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.
If the "flesh" as in being carnal can not please God, surely Jesus had the Spirit all along. Because the Father said at the baptism of Christ that He was "well pleased" with Jesus, which means how He already had lived.
Mat 3:17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
Jesus was "full of grace" (divine influence on the heart) even as a child.
Luke 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon Him.
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
--- Quote ---Just like us, Jesus only received the Holy Spirit when He was baptized by John.
--- End quote ---
Baptism is but an outward show. Jesus was baptized by John as a shadow or as a picture for His followers as to what they would have to do spiritually, be baptized into Him.
Rom 6:3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
v. 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
v. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
v. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Being a physical human being He was exposed to all the things that we are. But His mind was different, in that when He was "tempted" or enticement by any kind of sin, He never even thought to comment it. Therefore He was "without sin."
Heb 4:15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.
I hope this was helpful :)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Kat on June 09, 2008, 09:35:21 AM ---
Hi Roy UK,
I just want to bring these Scriptures up for your consideration, as to what you have posted.
--- Quote ---Though Mary was impregnated by the Father, I believe that He was also given the weak breath/spirit which gave Him mortal life in a human tent so He could face temptation and overcome.
--- End quote ---
Jesus was actually conceived by the Holy Spirit, which makes Him quite different right from His conception.
Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife; for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.
He was in our "likeness." I believe this likeness gave Him the physical experience along with the pain and suffering, but not the carnal mind.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
v. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.
If the "flesh" as in being carnal can not please God, surely Jesus had the Spirit all along. Because the Father said at the baptism of Christ that He was "well pleased" with Jesus, which means how He already had lived.
Mat 3:17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
Jesus was "full of grace" (divine influence on the heart) even as a child.
Luke 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon Him.
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
--- Quote ---Just like us, Jesus only received the Holy Spirit when He was baptized by John.
--- End quote ---
Baptism is but an outward show. Jesus was baptized by John as a shadow or as a picture for His followers as to what they would have to do spiritually, be baptized into Him.
Rom 6:3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
v. 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
v. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
v. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Being a physical human being He was exposed to all the things that we are. But His mind was different, in that when He was "tempted" or enticement by any kind of sin, He never even thought to comment it. Therefore He was "without sin."
Heb 4:15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.
I hope this was helpful :)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
--- End quote ---
Excellent points Kat, especially the one about his 'likeness'. His likeness was only outwardly (2 eyes, 2 ears, 2 arms, etc) like us but inside he was not conformed to this world as we are when we are first born in the physical/flesh. Thanks again
Marques
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