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winner08:
NO Kat, it was not you whom I was annoyed with. It was someone else. When my words get turn around and it makes me look like I didn't do my research before I posted,as in the book of revelation witch I have read and studied for yrs. Like I said I knew the ansewer to the question I ask about the two witnesses. Being symbolic or literal. I wanted to hear other people's thoughts on the subject. I like to engage in conversation about deep meaning things. I get very tired of the PC conversation that I have to engage at work. The thin line some of us have to walk when speaking about certain subjects. Here at this site I feel that I can talk openly and carry on a conversation with others who are LIKE-MINDED. About thing of importance. So please forgive me if I made you think I was speaking of you. I was not. I always enjoy your threads. I also enjoy it when you comment on my subjects. You bring lots of wisdom to the board.
Darren
kweli:
Hello Darren
Please forgive me if I came across that way. The last thing I want is to step on anybody's toes. I'm young. A majority of the people here are old enough to be my parents. So I wish not to come through as being disrespectful.
--- Quote from: winner08 on June 12, 2008, 04:43:54 PM ---BTW Kweli I never said I believe that the age will end in 08. If you read what I said, it is about a certain guy who said this. I know what our Lord has said about the end time that no one knows the hour or day that this will happen except the Father.
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I know you didnt say that. I was trying to point out that what this person is saying goes against what we know and believe. I also quoted the verses on what the two witnesses are to do in their appointed age and tried to hint that if this guy is one of them then he should understand what his role is before the end of time. For me, if he doesnt know that no one knows the final hour, he's not worth the trouble.
--- Quote from: winner08 on June 12, 2008, 04:43:54 PM ---One more thing what does me asking questions about the 2 witnesses or about symbolisms have to do with not being like-minded or fellowshipping?
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I'm fairly new here. What I've noticed a lot here are disputes over what individuals believe. I believe Craig and Joe highlighted that nobody is restricted on their private studies/research. But for us here as a union, we have to have "common grounds". A common understanding. Whether he is really one of the two or not is probably not up to us to say. But the common grounds is, nobody knows the final hour. And even if the book was literal, the two witnesses do not come to tell the world that this age will end. Infact, their time ends before the end. I believe that is what we have come to understand here at BT.
Also, I speak for myself here, the purpose of my postings was more to do away with digging into somebody else's ''ideas'. I was not clear on something in the beginning but I understand that we have to hold on to common truth. Yes we may discuss other things but there must be common truth. I used to love listening to sermons by TD Jakes because he just know the Word. But I've taken a step back to really hear what he says. On the surface, it's pure unadulterated Scripture, but the things he just drops in between are poisonous. And I almost believed them because they where mixed with a lot of the Word. I just thought I'd bring it to light. I didnt understand why Ray would say truth and lies are a dangerous combination until I saw what that did to my understanding.
Again I apologize for the way I came across to you. I will try to interrogate my comments before I post them. You are about 25 years ahead of me in studying the bible so I'm only just learning how to study.
Please forgive me :-[
All Glory to Him
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: kweli on June 12, 2008, 10:22:02 AM ---Thanks for that Kat. Good tools there to help with the digging
Hello Roy
There's no way you could be wrong about that. If I dispute then I'd be denying Jesus. Here's how I was looking at it...
Romans 15
20 Yea, so have I striven to preach the Gospel not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation;
21 but as it is written: "To whom He was not spoken of, they shall see; and they that have not heard shall understand [that's us]."
1 Corinthians 3
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For no man can lay another foundation than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [again, you are right]
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble,
13 every man's work shall be made manifest; for the Day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire, and the fire shall test every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereon, he shall receive a reward.
Ephesians 2
20 Ye are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone,
21 in whom all the building, fitly framed together, groweth unto a holy temple in the Lord,
22 in Whom ye also are built together for a habitation of God through the Spirit.
I'm in agreement, just looking at it also from a perspective of a teacher laying a foundation, but not taking away from the foundation of Jesus.
All Glory To Him
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Hello! Kweli
I'm sorry brother, I stand corrected. I read your post all wrong. You didn't say that Paul was the foundation stone but as master builders he and the apostles laid the foundation stone; a big, big difference. Stupid me, it couldn't lay itself now could it? With God all is possible I know but it wasn't that way here.
Thank you brother.
God bless you brother in our joint walk in Christ.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
winner08:
There's no need for forgiveness. I 'm the one that's sorry. I had a very rough day and when I read your post I took it the wrong way. There are still alot of things I need to work on when it comes to expressing my thoughts.
Darren
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