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jakfr0s:
Hi, yes that actually helped me alot KirstaD. It shows me how far I have to go yet. Shows me how I miss the mark in so many ways. I will study those verses, thank you.
hillsbororiver:
Hello Folks,
Without going through all the names there is a lot to be gleaned from all those who previously posted, many legitimate thoughts to consider for sure.
One might ask "do you know God? Do you know Him completely? How can you love Him if you really don't know Him?" So my question is do you know God?
I believe we can know His Spirit to a certain degree in the here and now especially when we can see the results of His indwelling Spirit in our own lives, less ego, more patience, less of a willingness to condemn and hold grudges, etc. We are promised "the earnest (down payment) of the Spirit in our hearts" [2Cor 1:22] but we will not have the full inheritance until His return and we "see Him as He is" [1John 3:2].
In my previous post that quoted 2Peter 1:1-11 it is written of a certain progression a believer experiences, if these things are happening in your life you can be sure it is not your doing but it is the Spirit of God working in you, nurturing you, mentoring you, developing the divine nature within you, I believe it is only when this is fully developed can we proclaim without fear of hypocrisy that; YES! I know my God and I love Him more than anything!
Remember Peter's claim before the crucifixion? That he would never forsake Christ? Do you also remember how he denied Him three times "before the cock crowed?" How about after the resurrection when Christ asked not once, not twice but three times "Peter dost thou love me?" Peter was grieved when he was asked this question three times, of course he was vividly reminded of his own failure and his own presumptuousness. What was Christ's last words to Peter during this episode? "Feed my sheep."
Being a living example and answering when someone asks the reason for your contentment is feeding the sheep, keeping His commands and displaying His love.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
OBrenda:
Well Roy,
IMHO...The beast within me is what I also understand as the Ego/Carnial Mind. Which calls itself "I". It sees itself as separate from others, where comes forth pride and judgement and loneliness. It identifies itself with physical things, which produces Lust and Greed. (What car I drive, what I do for Work, What Church I go to) When the scriptures tell us WE are "ONE" body....with many parts...."ONE" tree with many Limbs.
So the one that says "I" in me is the beast.
So No "I" do not Love GOD!
But greater is he that is in me, than he that is in the World (Satan)
But the creation and workmanship that is HIM that works in me, Loves God Dearly!
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: Bobby Proctor on June 24, 2008, 10:13:40 AM ---Roy,
I don't see where you are going with this...
The answer is no.
Do you keep his commandments?
I could ask if anyone even knows what love is.
Bobby
--- End quote ---
Dear Bobby
All I can say to that is please read my posting carefully. I never asked why, where, when or how we should love God, everyone answered those questions with Scriptural proof correctly including yourself. The question was " DO YOU LOVE GOD?"
Then you go on to say, " I could ask if anyone even knows what love is."
If you mean the carnal version of love "Erotica" I'd say yes virtually everyone would be well acquainted with it but if you mean Godly love "Agape" I'd have to say "NO" virtually no one including myself knows the first thing about it. This is the challenge that Deb/Arcturus is confronted with at this moment in time.
What is Godly Love in the first place; " If I speak with the tongues of men and of angel, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing. 4 Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogantt, 5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 7 bears all things,believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 8 Love never fails ; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part; 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. 11 When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. 13 But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love." (1Cor.13).
This is "Agape" love. Do you have this kind of love with all the required qualities highlighted? If you do, then your answer to "DO YOU LOVE GOD?" is YES, if not it is no different to mine which is NO.
The reason for this is that Satan has deceived us into a complacency of believing that we love God when in reality he has put a thorn in our side in the form of the beast within that preys on the love for our neighbour.
Now do you follow what I'm about? We have to identify, locate and OVERCOME this beast that is keeping us from loving God in TRUTH not just in words. This is our purpose in life, this is the main theme of Ray's teachings, OVERCOMING constantly repeated to the 7 Churches in Asia. (Rev.2:7,11,17,21) (Rev,3:5,12.21).
Now don't tell me you're situated in America, Canada, South Africa, Europe or Australia and not in Asia so it doesn't apply to you, or I won't believe you.
There is a reason for this brother so don't just dismiss it off hand because you can't see where it's leading or understand it, that is not wise. I've learned an enormous amount from Ray's teachings and this forum and it is my wish to input as much insight as I possibly can for the benefit of all, including you if you're prepared to give it a fair try. I'm no teacher and I'm not trying to teach anyone, just sharing what I believe the Spirit is saying to me. If you can't see it.....Well with your attitude toward it regrettably you won't see it.
God bless you brother in our joint walk in Christ.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
rjsurfs:
Roy,
You said:
--- Quote ---Well with your attitude toward it regrettably you won't see it.
--- End quote ---
I can tell you assuredly you do not know my attitude... and not following your train of thought shouldn't mean that I have one.
Ray has a great study on The Myth of free will and the beast... is this new material you are presenting?
And yes, the love chapter describes some qualities of love... and Love also creates darkness, Love creates evil, and Love created the waster to destroy the flesh.
Bobby
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