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dewey:
Bobby Proctor,
Your post reply #19. At 04-03-49 p.m. was very good and my thinking also.
Obrenda; you posted lost in love - love thy neighbor. This goes hand in hand with judging yourself.
And Kent, - how you doing my friend? You posted in reply to Obrenda and said if he wants to play Russian rouilette will you give him a revolver? My answer is I don't know; but I know what Jesus said. If a man asks for your cloak give him also your - ahhh (you know what he said). We are all experts at quoting scriptures on this forum. After reading all the posts on the subject of lost in love and the subject of I was just thinking the Lord has inspired me to post on love and judge not - they go hand in hand. And check this out.
I was in the process of posting on this months ago when a very sincere lady that we all know and love told me that my love was all mushy, gushy. It has taken much sincere meditation and studying the word. I ask all of you to check out my post on judge not on 2-17-08 at 10:51 p.m. post #24. And Itlitalienboi 16 - you said you could not wit for that post. Well, brother, if you're reading this you waited.
And folks, this is what Jesus had to say about love:
"God abideth in us and his love is perfected in us. Hereby we know that we abide in him and he in us. He hath given us of his spirit. And we have beheld and bear witness that the Father has sent the Son to be the saviour of the world. Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God abideth in him and he in God. And we know and believe the love which God hath in us. God is love; and he that abideth in love abideth in God; and God abideth in him. And that means we keep his commandments. His commandments are not grevious.
Here are some of the things that make me believe as I believe: Some will quote Mattew 7:1- "Judge not, lest you be judged" - to claim that it is "unchristian" to identify people's sins or those that plague a society. How many times have you heard someone say, "Don't judge me" or "Christians are not to judge others?"
Ask yourself, now can a Christian be expected to stay away from people of bad character, as the Bible commands (1 Cor.5:1-5; 1 Tim. 6:3-6), if he is not allowed to judge their actions - in other words, identify their inappropriate behavior? Also, now could Paul instruct Christians to "mark" and "avoid" divisive people (Rom. 16:7) unless the conduct of such people be examined - unless judgment were made?
The word "judge" in Matthew 7:1 comes from the Greek word "krono" which can mean "to try, condemn, punish" or "to distinguish, decide;" the context depends upon how the word is used.
The apostle John wrote, "God sent not His Son into the world to condemn (krono) the world; but that the world through Him might be saved" (John 3:17). Yet, Paul used this same Greek word to teach that true Christians are in training to judge the whole world - including angels: "Do you now know that the saints shall judge (krinos) the world? And if the world shall be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know you not that we shall judge (krinos) angels? How much more things that pertain to this life?" (1 Cor. 6:2-3). Four chapters later, he added, "I speak as to wise men;; judge (krinos) you what I say" (1 Cor. 10:15). Obviously, Paul did not intend for the Corinthians to condemn his words, but rather to judge - "decide" - whether he was teaching sound doctrine.
When Jesus said, "Judge not, lest you be judged", he meant that you can sometimes avoid judgment coming upon yourself by avoiding judging others. This does not mean that Christians are never to judge. Rather, in certan situations, it is better to avoid rendering a judgment - a decision about, an evaluation of, conduct or behavior - lest you bring judgment upon yourself. If you decide to judge, be careful, as whatever standard you use to render a decision will be used on yourself: "For with what judgment you judge you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again" (Matt. 7:2).
Consider. If Jesus had meant Christians should never judge, period, then, He would have contradicted Himself when He said "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge (krinos) righteous judgment (John 7:24). Christ clearly stated that christians are to judge others. However, we are to use righteous judgment. If a person judges righteously, he will avoid judgment coming upon himself.
Most overlook John 7:24 and focus only on Matthew 7:1. They fail to put all of the pieces of the puzzle together, thus they stumble and are snared (Isa. 28:13).
The key to understanding John 7:24 is found beginning three verses earlier. Referring to His healing a man on the Sabbath day, to which the Pharisees vehemently objected, "Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and you all marvel." According to the Pharisees, healing on the Sabbath was considered work, so they accused Him of breaking the Sabbath.
In verses 22-23, Jesus continues His discourse: "Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision...and you on the Sabbath day circumsice a man (according to the law of Moses, a male child was to be circumcised eight days after being born, which would sometimes fall on the Sabbath.) If a man on the Sabbath day receive circumcision that the law of Moses should not be broken; are you angry at Me, beause I have made a man every whit whole on the Sabbath day?
The Pharisees constantly accused Christ of deviating from the Law of Moses. They claimed to uphold this law down to the last jot and tittle. Jesus used this to His advantage and asked them why they considered it lawful to circumcise a child on the Sabbath, but unlawful to make "a man every whit whole"? Christ ponted out the hypocrisy of such "logic". (Recall the example was examined earlier concering Mark 2:27-28.)
This brings us to John 7:24: "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." Jesus said this to the Pharisees in this context because they were judging his actions according to sight, and not by God's law. In other words, they used human reasoning rather than God's standard of righteousness, defined by His law. Thus, they brought judgment upon themselves.
When Jesus was in the flesh, He too had to rely on God to judge righteously: "I can of My own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and My judgment is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which has sent Me" (John 5:30). Since the Pharisees were not seeking the will of God and were not obeying His commandments, they could not judge correctly.
Finally, consider Christ's statement in John 8: "You judge after the flesh; you judge no man. And yet if I judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me" (vs. 15-16). These verses reveal that Jesus did not judge after the flesh or according to sight. Instead, He judged righteously because He relied on the Father, just as Christians are to do. The Father did the judging through Jesus. But this occurred only because Jesus sought the Father's will and obeyed Him, as Christians are to do.
Like so many of the Bible's teachings, the subject of judging is widely misunderstood. This is because the majority focuses only on Matthew 7:1 and does not take into account the numerous other verses on the subject. Again, most fail to put all of the pieces of the large biblical puzzle together (Isa. 28:10).
It is written: "As surely as I live, says the Lord, every knee will bow before Me; every tongue will confess to God"
And as far as we know, there is only one God - our Father almighty and creator - hallelujah!!!
Now, folks, take into consideration all these words mean nothing. But now, I'm gonna tell you what means everything. Jesus said THROUGH FAITH AND GRACE YOU ARE SAVED. Hallelujah
In the name of Jesus Christ, Dewey & Paula try to love all people who will let us
rk12201960:
Very nice dewey, ;D
If you had not felt the sting in your post from before (and I'm asking) would you have known love in this way?
It is how God teaches us is it not?
Some of us have felt the sting more than others and on these I won't judge, we all learn, its what we're here for.
Great post!
Peace.
Randy
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dewey:
good point randy , now you know why it took so long for me to get back ,now you know a whole lot more about me than most.
Vangie what on Gods green earth is a spagdehetti alien, thats a frist for me , but its a good one . in his spirit love yuans ,dewey
Vangie:
I removed the post Dewey's referring to--accidentally posted when I meant to preview--oops. Good to see you back Dewey!
Love in Christ,
Vangie
jeetkunejimi:
Hi there Roy,
none of us love God fully, were all out for ourselves when push comes to shove, even when we do a good deed it puffs us up inside. I can start by trying to fully appriciate what Christ has done for us all though at Calvary, even though my sin shows I'm way off achieving that goal. But at least it's a goal, and a race worth running.
I say I love my kids and at times dissapoint them or fail to connect with them because I'm too busy surfing the net or watching TV. I say I love my wife but I don't work hard enough at giving her the things she wants, like a holiday once a year or a sympathetic ear after a hard day at work. I say a lot of things, but at least I know that God first loved me and that He's in the driving seat and I'm just along for the ride and that every word out of my mouth He predestined.
So I guess so far in my life no I don't love God properly, I don't love anyone fully, not even myself, I don't really know what love is in comparrison to that day on the hill of the skull.But when I'm face to face with him...then I'll know and I won't be face to face with him for long I'll be looking at his feet.
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