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Kat:

Hi Roy,

I thought I would bring these excerpt form the transcript 'HOW WE GOT THE BIBLE,'  as Ray mentions that the 'beast' is indeed our carnality within.

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Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show unto His servants, even the things which must shortly(quickly) come to pass: and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John;
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Rev 1:08  I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

This was not in my notes, but it’s an important thing.  Some of you probably have not come to understand that you do not have free will, free moral agency or any of this nonsense that the theologians talk about.  You have an illusion of free will.  It seems like you have free will, of course it does, it part of the deception of human nature and the beast within.  Do you think animals have free will?  They act on instinct.
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He just keeps repeating this over and over.  That He existed, He was killed, resurrected and He now is and He will come.  Everything in this book is and was and will come, see.  To every generation who reads this, He’s coming to you.  He came in the pass, He is coming now, He’ll come in the future.   How does this happen quickly?

It happens to you when you are born and have grown up big enough to read these pages and  God opens up your mind.   Then you have just so long to change your life, get rid of the beast, get rid of the carnality in you.  That’s got to be done quickly
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There are two Greek words in the NT for carnal.

Rom 8:7  Because the carnal 4561 mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Thayer Definition:
G4561 sarx - carnal
1) flesh (the soft substance of the living body, which covers the bones and is permeated with blood) of both man and beasts
2) the body
   2a) the body of a man
   2b) used of natural or physical origin, generation or relationship
      2b1) born of natural generation
   2c) the sensuous nature of man, “the animal nature”
      2c1) without any suggestion of depravity
      2c2) the animal nature with cravings which incite to sin
      2c3) the physical nature of man as subject to suffering
3) a living creature (because possessed of a body of flesh) whether man or beast
4) the flesh, denotes mere human nature, the earthly nature of man apart from divine influence, and therefore prone to sin and opposed to God

1Co 3:3  For ye are yet carnal 4559: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

Thayer Definition:
G4559 sarkikos - carnal
1) fleshly, carnal
   1a) having the nature of flesh, i.e. under the control of the animal appetites
      1a1) governed by mere human nature not by the Spirit of God
      1a2) having its seat in the animal nature or aroused by the animal nature
      1a3) human: with the included idea of depravity
   1b) pertaining to the flesh
      1b1) to the body: related to birth, linage, etc

Hope this helps.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

indianabob:
Kathy and moderators,

Please don't close or lock this thread until I can reread and copy the pertinent comments.
There is quite a bit to stimulate my self examination and I dread losing it.

Thank you, Indianabob :)

Redbird:
Hi Friends,

Well, Do We Love God?  I think I do much, because I do love myself and this enables me to better love my neighbor. And If loving myself constitutes loving my enemy (ego also), then I shall love it from a distance, until it diminishes into existence.  :)

Just a thought, in Jesus name,
Lisa

Roy Monis:
Hi! Everyone

Sadly despite my clear statement that I am not a teacher or attempting to teach anyone, I am being accused of teaching and bringing my own ideas on to this forum with the threat of having this thread locked. Ray is my teacher, God bless him, and I will always respect that.

It was through him that our eyes were opened as to who the True Israel of God is, it's us on this forum who have come out of Babylon. Previously I thought they were scattered round the world and in Palestine somewhere in the Jewish community. I praise God for Ray's inspired disclosure. I cannot see in what way I am going against Ray's teaching. His teachings are on a much higher level covering the complete Word of God, what I'm expressing is just a minor prod by the Spirit within me on a single issue. The gap between the two is as wide as the East is to the West, so in what way am I a threat?

Now that we know the location of the true Israel of God it is our duty under a specific command from God (Ezek.3) to take any message He gives us to the people of Israel. All I am guilty of is obeying His command. Am I doing wrong here?

The wheat and the Tares meant little to me until Ray opened the window and now the light that began to shine in me located the Tares and the Wheat. I believe, my opinion only from what I'm being prompted, the wheat are our neighbours the second of God's two commandments and the Tares are Satan's goodies that are being stored up by the "I" the beast within. It's only an opinion, not a teaching, is that not the purpose of this forum to share?

Indeed it has unleashed a mountain of baddies which the beast within has stored up and it seems impossible for us to conquer them all, but are we not taught, by Ray, that all things are possible with God, which is very true?
Joe very kindly drew our attention to a number of Scriptures from Romans that indicated we are in Spirit and we walk in Spirit which is the key to our defense.

Are we not taught that in order to fight the evil forces we must: "10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. 14 Stand firm therefore, having girded your loins with truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 in addition to all, taking up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18 With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints, 19 and pray on my behalf, that utterance may be given to me in the opening of my mouth, to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in proclaiming it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak. 21 But that you also may know about my circumstances, how I am doing, Tychicus, the beloved brother and faithful minister in the Lord, will make everything known to you. 22 I have sent him to you for this very purpose, so that you may know about us, and that he may comfort your hearts. 23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.  24 Grace be with all those who love our Lord Jesus Christ with incorruptible love." (Eph.6:10-24).

Is this not what we are being taught on this very site by Ray, so why am I being accused of bringing strange or my own teachings on to it?

Someone suggested that to conquer all these character flaws was an impossible task. I agree, the Bible says so, but it also says that nothing is impossible with God. And Joe has given us the answer to that problem, the Spirit.

Then Brenda suggested that the One within is more powerful than him without. I couldn't agree more and it is in agreement with Ray's teachings.

But now there are two within us The Spirit and the enemy's agent "I" the beast within, also Ray's teaching which I wouldn't have known about had it not been for him. But the Spirit within is powerless to deal with the "I" which belongs to Satan on the outside until it is brought into the light where he can be seen. It is now when he is exposed that we must gird ourselves with the Armour provided by God and attack the "I" and OVERCOME him. (Rev.2:7,11,17,26) (Rev.3:5,12,21).

Ray has emphasized the necessity to OVERCOME it is not my teaching, all I am saying here is what I have learned on this site from Ray and you'll find it all if you take the trouble to read all his writings without me quoting each and every one. The message I posted is mine it is what I received and I am quite innocently sharing it and mean no harm or disrespect for anyone or anything.

Now please tell me where I have gone wrong other than pull you out of your complacency and make you sit up and think?  And why the threat of locking the post? If we truly walk by the SPIRIT what is it we are afraid of?

God bless you all, I have only obeyed God's command, nothing else, and if I'm condemned for that so be it. I will dutifully accept your decision. Those who accuse me of introducing my own teachings need to examine their views on being judgmental. "Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed that he does not fall."  (1Cor.10:12)

God bless you brothers and sisters in our joint walk in Christ. 

Love in Christ Jesus.

Roy UK     

Beloved:
his post has been enlightening to me. We come to the forum to fellowship. Yet here we some acting like James and John ....looking to be first.
 
Gal 5:13  For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

Joh 12:26  If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honor.

I agree on some level we are all struggling with answering the question posited.  Many posters have made some excellent points. Others seem to be struggling more with Roy. because he seems to be playing a quessing game. The way I see it that he is trying to provoke us to really thinking about this subject. 

Those in the "church" are like kids saying .....yes we love you daddy....but their actions speak louder.

What do our actions show? Can we be patient with each other, can we be kind and trusting.

Okay folks I will go first...I am mushey gushey and I am not sure why Dewey posted his comments here rather than on the thread which he started and where he feels he was slighted. 

If any of us have a problem with another PM or post it. If you post it you can embarress the other ......do you want to do that? (by the way Dewey I was not one bit upset, in fact I marvel that you held all that that in so long.)

On the other hand we have to be able to take criticisms...being rejected is also part of the training program. Those snide remarks that are some times are made .....hurt....and we have all had them and given them.  Sometimes we all need to take a break, rest in the Lord and study the Word more before we can come together.

Second none of us seem to be getting the answer Roy is looking for and we are feeling frustrated and challenged. I know my own posts did not have depth, I wasn't trying to 'get' the answer I was putting a puzzle piece down.  I really enjoyed seeing all the different perspectives and hope people will continue to think about it. 

This is Robert Frost shortest poem
"We sit in a circle and suppose but the answer sits in the middle and knows".

The Answer is God and His Son Jesus Christ...we are all sitting here with little bits of information. Flotsom and jetsom

2Co 13:11  Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

Rom 15:6  That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.


In closing like Gina once said...we gotta play nice...
So true......especially if we children of God want to become the sons of God


Beloved

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