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What Is Luke Trying To Tell Us?
winner08:
Well Joey I really couldn't tell you what thoses statements are saying untill I get to a quite place and meditate on it for a while. But I will tell you a few things I notice. Matt. and Mark tells us that the Father KNOWS the when and time of Jesus's return. Luke does not mention it. Also, we must keep watch and pray that we be counted worthy to escape these hardships to come. My questions are What is ment by this generation will not pass until all these things happen? I thought a generation was forty yrs. If so, when did the genaration start? When does it end. Forty yrs is not a long time. As far as understanding the fig tree parable, I don't. I never really studyed that parable before. But I certainly will. Now I am sorry but the Lord has not giving me the wisdom to know the difference in the three verses that you brought up. Like I said I will ask the Lord to give me the wisdom as I reread these gospels and meditate on them. I sure do love these differences you point out to us, it keeps me on my toes. Thanks Joey.
Darren
digitalwise:
Ah the thought!
Luke 21
32"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
The term "this generation" can be not be the generation of the destruction the Jerusalem temple [around 93 or 96AD]
for the scripture also mentions: 35 For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth.
So what is he saying concerning generation. Was it Jesus' generation.
Contradiction? I don't think so!
I conclude then that generation speaks of the WHOLE generation of the New Covenant Age - that is the generation of New Covenant which was established.
Generations DO not cease - they continue UNTIL..............The term PASS away is the key here.
Hebrews 9:26 Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
If we also tie in the following also by Luke in the Book of Acts, he as an author that mentions times and seasons many times and seems more specific:
Acts 2:17
" 'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. [Speaking of the Pentecost incident in Acts]
2 Timothy 3:1
[ Godlessness in the Last Days ] But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.
James 5:3
Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days.
2 Peter 3:3
First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.
So the End times / Last generation / Last days started WHEN? So the Generation Jesus is speaking of is who?
digitalwise
hillsbororiver:
Hi Joey,
Perhaps these verses are speaking to a subset of the elect, a select of the elect so to speak. We see in Matthew and Mark "no one knows the time."
But we read in Luke;
Luke 21:28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."
So it appears that there may come a time and season when the (select) elect will see the handwriting on the wall and know when His return is imminent.
There is more scripture that could be interpreted to support this;
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Luk 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
This really seems to say that things will be going on in a very normal fashion when Christ returns except for a few who are aware of what is about to happen (Noah and his family and Lot and His family), not like the doom, gloom, disaster and desolation like so many Christian "teachers" preach precedes His return. No, the world was living a normal life then ............ WHOA!
Is Luke speaking to those who "shall not sleep" in the verses you quoted?
1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we shall be changed.
Very interesting.....
Peace,
Joe
winner08:
I notice in some of these post on this subject it has been said that in Matt and Mark that no one knows that day and hour. Matt 24:36 says "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven. But My Father only.
Mark 13:32 But of that day no one knows, not even the angels in heaven , nor the Son, but only the Father. (NKJV) This is what my bible says. Is this not correct? Should not we be very careful when quoting scripture. Let me just say I am not being a smart ( you know). ;) No offense to anybody. I just notice that in Matt and Mark The Father does know the day and time of this event. I think this is very important. If not for us, for the newibes who are just joining us. They need to know all of the truth, especially when it comes to quoting scripture. Don't ya'll think?
Darren
Heidi:
Thanks both Joe and Dave for your reply....there is so much to learn....I feel a bit overwhelmed ???
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Luke 21
29He told them this parable: "Look at the fig tree and all the trees. 30When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near. 31Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.
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Joey...do the above highlighted mean God's elect? (All the fig trees)
Thanks to all of you, I am learning sooooo much!!!
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