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What Is Luke Trying To Tell Us?
Dave in Tenn:
Dear Heidi. I want to come back to your question.
The Four Gospels all record the crucifixion of Christ. Looking between them just at what they recorded concerning what Christ SAID, we find this.
Mat 27:46 About three o'clock Jesus cried out with a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?", which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Mat 27:50 Then Jesus cried out with a loud voice again and gave up his spirit.
Mar 15:34 At three o'clock Jesus cried out with a loud voice, "Eloi, eloi, lema sabachthani?", which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Mar 15:37 Then Jesus gave a loud cry and breathed his last.
Luk 23:34 Jesus kept saying, "Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they're doing." Then they divided his clothes among them by throwing dice.
Luk 23:43 Jesus said to him, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise."
Luk 23:46 Then Jesus cried out with a loud voice and said, "Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit." After he said this, he breathed his last.
Joh 19:26 When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he kept loving standing there, he said to his mother, "Woman, here is your son."
Joh 19:27 Then he said to the disciple, "Here is your mother." And from that hour the disciple took her into his own home.
Joh 19:28 After this, when Jesus realized that everything was now completed, he said (in order to fulfill the Scripture), "I'm thirsty."
Joh 19:30 After Jesus had taken the wine, he said, "It is finished." Then he bowed his head and released his spirit.
Matthew and Mark record pretty much the same thing, and nothing else that Jesus said from the Cross. Luke records three 'sayings' none of which is recorded by Matthew and Mark. John adds three or four (depending on how you count them) again NOT recorded by the other three Gospels.
If we have faith in the Scriptures, we can assume that all of these 'sayings' of Jesus happened. It would be folly to think that one was 'right' and the rest were 'wrong'. Considering the extreme emotion of the scene, it's a wonder that any of these 'sayings' was remembered to be recorded at all!
In this translation, Luke says that Jesus "Kept saying, Father forgive them." That certainly implies that He said this more than once, and at least leaves the possibility open that He said essentially the same thing in other ways as well. He did instruct US to pray not with vain repetitions, after all.
And in light of John's statement:
Joh 21:25 Of course, Jesus also did many other things, and I suppose that if every one of them were written down the world couldn't contain the books that would be written.
it's at least concievable that Jesus, from the cross, said other things NOT recorded. Maybe many other things. If there were, God's Spirit saw no need to inspire their recollection. We have what we need. Study (and a little 'inspired' imagination) brings it all together.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: digitalwise on July 17, 2008, 02:27:38 AM ---Ah the thought!
Luke 21
32"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
The term "this generation" can be not be the generation of the destruction the Jerusalem temple [around 93 or 96AD]
for the scripture also mentions: 35 For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth.
So what is he saying concerning generation. Was it Jesus' generation.
Contradiction? I don't think so!
I conclude then that generation speaks of the WHOLE generation of the New Covenant Age - that is the generation of New Covenant which was established.
Generations DO not cease - they continue UNTIL..............The term PASS away is the key here.
Hebrews 9:26 Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
If we also tie in the following also by Luke in the Book of Acts, he as an author that mentions times and seasons many times and seems more specific:
Acts 2:17
" 'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. [Speaking of the Pentecost incident in Acts]
2 Timothy 3:1
[ Godlessness in the Last Days ] But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.
James 5:3
Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days.
2 Peter 3:3
First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.
So the End times / Last generation / Last days started WHEN? So the Generation Jesus is speaking of is who?
digitalwise
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Here is to add to what you are saying. Since i saved it.
Matt 1:17 "So all the generations from Abraham to David are FOURTEEN generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are FOURTEEN
generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon into CHRIST are FOURTEEN generations."
Now if you take out your bible and read the names you will find that something is amiss.We should end up with 42 generations with Christ being the 42nd name on the list.But He isn't.Christ is infact number 41.There is one generation missing.So who is number 42?Who is THIS generation?Who are Christ's decendents and bare His name?Listen Up CHRISTains I am talking about you.
Isaiah 53;8-10 "He was taken from prison and from judgment: and WHO SHALL DECLARE HIS GENERATION? for He was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was He stricken. And He made His grave with the wicked, and with the rich in His death; because He had done no violence, neither was any deceit in His mouth. Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him, He hath put Him to grief, when thou shalt make His soul an offering for sin, HE SHALL SEE HIS SEED, HE SHALL PROLONG HIS DAYS, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand."
Psalm22:30-31 ''A seed shall serve Him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for A GENERATION. They shall come, and shall DECLARE HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS unto a people that shall be born, that He hath done this.
I Peter 2:9 . . . "BUT YE ARE A CHOSEN GENERATION, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of Him who hath called you out of darkness into His marvelous light."
Now here is the icing on the cake;
-----Rev.11:15----
"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of OUR LORD AND OF HIS CHRIST; and He shall reign forever and ever."
Now if Jesus is LORD then WHO is His Christ?
--Psalms 2--
"Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against His anointed (Christ), saying, Let us break THEIR bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh; the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my HOLY HILL OF ZION. I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, THOU ART MY SON: this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. THOU SHALT BREAK THEM WITH A ROD OF IRON: THOU SHALT DASH THEM IN PIECES LIKE A POTTER'S VESSEL."
The annointed,the overcomer,the few,the chosen,the body OF CHRIST----this is the 42nd generation
The elect are God's 42nd generation. This is that LAST GENERATION THAT SHALL NOT PASS until all these things be done!
God bless,
Alex
OBrenda:
WOW :o
This blew my socks offf!
Thanks everybody!
digitalwise:
--- Quote from: digitalwise on July 17, 2008, 02:27:38 AM ---Ah the thought!
Luke 21
32"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.....
digitalwise
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The annointed,the overcomer,the few,the chosen,the body OF CHRIST----this is the 42nd generation
The elect are God's 42nd generation. This is that LAST GENERATION THAT SHALL NOT PASS until all these things be done!
God bless,
Alex
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Excellent and Well done!
Blessings
digitalwise
Heidi:
Dear Dave...thank you so much for your reply to me. If your read all their accounts of the same event together, it makes it more personal. Jesus is truly the Son of God....His love for us is too much to contain or even understand. I feel so humbled.
Thank you.
Love in Christ
Heidi
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