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indianabob:
ii thessalonians 1:5-10

How do we explain this vengeance and God's dealing with those not called in this life?

I think I understand the underlying meaning, but am not able to explain with scripture.

Indiana Bob

hillsbororiver:
Hi Bob,

I believe this is intended for the called (who depart), not unbelievers.

2 Thessalonians 1

5Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

6Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

10When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

We all know there are many people in the church and even out of the churches who use the name of Christ for their own profit, whether that profit be monetary, popularity, sexual favors or worse. There are those who will not be recognized by Christ as one of His even though they claim to have done wonderful things in His name. They lost sight of God as they returned to worship the beast and antichrist within.

The greater chastisement will be for those who once knew Him and turned their back on Him to serve themselves.
 
Mat 18:6  But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Luk 12:47  And that servant, which knew his lord's will and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
 
Luk 12:48  But he that knew not and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

2Pe 2:21  For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

His Peace to you Brother,

Joe

winner08:
Question: I notice the word stripes are used when one is beaten, as in few or many stripes. I know this is a real rookie question but what is the meaning of the word stripes. I know what my human mind says the word stripes mean, but I know this is not correct. I beleive stripes is used for a spiritual meanning. Is this correct? What does stripes mean?

                                         Darren

ps I feel dumb for asking, but I don't know.

Stevernator:
Hi Darren
 I found these verses from a site but I will not link since thats against the rules as I understand it.

(Isaiah 52:14 KJV)
"He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon Him; and with His stripes we are healed"

"And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe." (Exodus 21:23-25 KJV)

"And it shall be, if the wicked man be worthy to be beaten, that the judge shall cause him to lie down, and to be beaten before his face, according to his fault, by a certain number. Forty stripes he may give him, and not exceed: lest, if he should exceed, and beat him above these with many stripes, then thy brother should seem vile unto thee." (Deuteronomy 25:2-3 KJV)

"He shall build an house for My Name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee." (2 Samuel 7:13-15 KJV)

"And the multitude rose up together against them: and the magistrates rent off their clothes, and commanded to beat them. And when they had laid many stripes upon them, they cast them into prison, charging the jailor to keep them safely: Who, having received such a charge, thrust them into the inner prison, and made their feet fast in the stocks. And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them." (Acts 16:22-25 KJV)

"But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses, In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings; By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned, By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left, By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true; As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed; As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things." (2 Corinthians 6:4-10 KJV)

winner08:
Stevernator: I notice in Duteronomy it speaks of a man being beating before the face. Forty stripes. So stripes means beat? In Isaiah we are saved through the beating (stripes) Jesus took? So from what I can gather stripes are physical beatings. Are am I missing the whole point?(Probaly).

                                     Darren

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