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Why "Soul" and "Spirit"?
Daniel:
I'm still studying these things. I might need help if anyone can help me. I found the following.
John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Is this correct, the word breathed here is found in only two places?
1) to blow or breathe upon
Which states
This word used only once by the LXX translators in Gen 2:7 where God breathed on Adam and he became a living soul.
Just as the original creation was completed by an act of God, so to the new creation was completed by an act from the Head of the new creation.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Is this corrrect that these both are the only place that this particular word is found? I can see the correlation between the two.
:lol: Joe its comical that we can all speak from scripture and not hear one another at times and at other times can hear each other. Each one doing their best to try to understand whats written.
Daniel
Daniel:
Joe,
You quoted
Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
I see this exactly as you wrotte it, I agree. I'm thinking if Adam as the beasts and us all share in the natural man one breath and the sustaining of the naturral man is counted as one breath, then the breath Jesus breathed into them was like a second breath in the above?
Reason I ask is because the first breath or pattern is seen as that which sustains the natural man to live in the body as Ray teaches, is this ccorrect? But if the same word is found in relation to Christ breathing on His disciples corresponds to the first, then the fllesh counts for nothing in regards to the first breath of the flesh right? :?
If not, then already living souls (the disciples, the creatures) received another breath by Christ Himself (to become to new creatures) how would this be counted? See what I am asking?
Daniel
Lightseeker:
Daniel,
Wow quick response, are you sure you read thoroughly? I've been busy all morning trying to put that last one together while still seeing patients.
All the scriptures you quote are the very same kind which have me here seeking other opinions . I am curious as to the response from others here would be to those scriptures based on man being a spirit, body only.
GEN 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life/Chay also...
This is were M_olivers view caught my interest. Where the physical trees for physical food to sustain the temporal life until man breaths his last? But the tree of chay/life is aonian life, or life unto the end of the age?
--- Quote ---Thanks for sharing, how do you see these, I am curious
Luke 29:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
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The soul isn't totally saved/renewed by saying "Yes to Jesus at the alter."
--- Quote ---Heb 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
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This speaks of the backsliding, or not backsliding, salvation of our soul.
--- Quote ---1Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
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I believe that speaks of someone having the complete mind of Christ by putting on the fullness of the stature of the image of Christ.
--- Quote ---1Thes 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved/tereo blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
(you had already quoted that one) But this one in particular
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5083 tereo: to guard (from loss or injury, prop. by keeping the eye upon); by impl. to detain (in custody; fig. to maintain); by extens. to withhold (for personal ends;
--- Quote ---Phil 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
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I'll answer my view of this one with a verse.
ROM 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed/metamorphoo by the renewing of your mind,
3339 metamorphoo: to transform (lit. or fig. "metamorphose")
This word metamorphoo is only in the NT 4 times. Two times were the transfiguration of Jesus on the mount, once when Moses face glowed requiring a veil, and here in Romans which is a call to us.
Daniel:
Thank you answering my post Lightseeker
I've got A.D.D. sorry :lol:
Daniel
chrissiela:
Daniel,
I'm not sure I understand the question.
We were given life (in the flesh) by God in the beginning (God breathed into Adam and he became a living soul. Right?
But that 'life' that we were given is actually NO LIFE at all. We only have LIFE through Christ..... we have to be "born again".... this would be the recieving of the Holy Spirit (signified by Jesus breathing on His disciples). In essence, BOTH "breaths" coming from God... but the 'second coming' :lol: :lol: (just thought of that... hehe) is a 're-birth' :?: ... creating a 'new' creature :!: (born AGAIN)...
Chrissie
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