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Why "Soul" and "Spirit"?
chrissiela:
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The salvation of our soul isn't a all or nothing salvation IMO. It is a salvation from one degree to the next. And that INCHRISTING of our soul is what transforms our flesh loving 'dying soul' into a Christ's life/quickening spirit 'living soul'.
Thoughts?
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I can second that!! :wink:
2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Chrissie
hillsbororiver:
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Like you, I too question Strong's definitons. They did not satisfy years of study concerning man being a spirit and body. I have asked for an explanation of the following verse several times with no one coming up to the plate with an answer.
1Thess 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless....
Now I'm going to add two more. Mary the mother of Jesus separates spirit and soul:
Luke 1:46 And Mary said, "My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my savior.
The writer of Hebrews distinguishes three parts.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow (body parts right?).
I now have more than the first unanswered verse begging for explanation. So once again I'll ask for some one to give me a good explanation for man being biparte instead of triparte. And another misinterpretation IMO :wink: from Genesis and Strong's isn't what I'm looking for. I've known about both of them for a long long time. Please give honest and sincere dialogue.
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Dee, a few of us went through this a few weeks ago, let me try again.
First off, you think it is impossible that the prejudice of the translators may have a role in the order of these words; spirit, soul & body? If it was originally written soul, body & spirit would it not have a different connotation? Much like it is written in Genesis, Psalms, Job, etc. that the spirit & body constitute "soul"?
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Psa 104:29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Job 14:10 But man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he?
No mention of a 3rd part of the equation;
Take one page out of a book, the page is comprised of paper and ink, is it one page made out of two componants, or is the page three seperate things? Now I do not have a two edged sword that could split the ink off of the page, but if I had a laser that could seperate ink from paper would that prove the page was three componants and not two?
ink + paper = page
body + spirit = soul
Dee, please give us 2 witnesses to this body + soul + spirit = man
Joe
mannonthecross:
which is a salvation subsequent to our "To be in Christ is Salvation" which Joe mentioned.
It is a salvation from one degree to the next. And that INCHRISTING of our soul is what transforms our flesh loving 'dying soul' into a Christ's life/quickening spirit 'living soul'.
Thoughts?[/quote]
Lightseeker,
Need some clarification, please.
"...which is a salvation subsequent...." By this do you mean "walking out" our salvation?
"It is a salvation from one degree to the next." Crucifying the flesh?
"...transforms our flesh loving 'dying soul' into a Christ's life/quickening spirit 'living soul'." This is not clear as to when you believe this takes place. Are you implying an immortal soul?
I agree with Chrissie "...are changed into the same image from glory to glory...", but is that all you're saying here?
Thanx,
Tom
Daniel:
Hi lightseeker,
Thanks for sharing, how do you see these, I am curious
Luke 29:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.[/u]
Heb 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.[/u]
1Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.[/u]
1Thes 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
(you had already quoted that one) But this one in particular
Phil 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.[/u]
Daniel
hillsbororiver:
Dee, let's agree to disagree, you and I are way apart on this and I can see you are not absorbing the point at all.
There is no eternal man spirit, the spirit that gave the body of Adam (and us) life is the breath of life from the Spirit of God.
You totally ignored my analogy about the two edged sword and how that verse gave an example of how sharp the edge was and not that there are 3 parts to mankind, we are the same as the beasts.
Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
Your second witness to your theory has nothing to do with a 3 part man but everything to do with the sharp edge of His Word.
You never answered my question about the ink, paper, page.
There is no purpose in continuing this, perhaps you might take the time in actually reading the materials on Bible Truths rather than glossing over the titles saying you already know everything.
How can you possibly judge these articles by their title? If a book was entitled "Science" would you claim to know all the contents without reading it? This will be my last post on this thread.
Dee, if you ever take the time to read the material I will be happy to discuss any of it with you, but at this time we are simply too far apart to communicate effectively. You are speaking Russian and I am speaking Chinese.
Peace,
Joe
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