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Falconn003:
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In Luke you would see a pattern of PARABLES Jesus speaks unto the mass, not just one parable but many in succesion.
How can anyone come to a conclusion that as Jesus spoke one parable after another parable, he would then go off on a tangent and speak unto the masses one true story, just for good measure.
Jesus did not have to resort to all of a sudden change the subject matter to a non-parable story for the reasons that the parables themselves would not be understood, less Jesus explains them in private to his diciples.
Jesus like his Father is constant.
Rodger
jennie:
My Bible says in the heading this is a parable but whether it is literal or not, it's not a place I want to be!
Mickyd:
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To where in Greek mythology are you referring? Just a question...
My understanding is that the "great gulf" is actually defined in the Mishnah as well as certain pseudepigraphal books, not the least of which are I and II Enoch in which the prophet Enoch tours the Luminaries.
One more point...what point are you trying to make by declaring that the "great gulf" is derived from Greek mythology? I'm not sure of your stance there.
Brandon
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I guess I should have just said "Mythology" rather than Greek mythology.
The Greeks, Babylonians and Egyptians all borrowed from each other and tried to improve and assemilate. It depends on from which source you read. Some call it a river...a lake...a sea...others just a space. It really all means the same.
The book of Enoch...if you've read it then you must know right off that it follows these discriptions in great detail. In places the book becomes almost caotic and makes little sense. The Luminaries are obviousely variations of Babylonian astrology that was very popular among the Jews during their exile.
One thing you may notice is that it uses the term "Spirit" as it is an immortal soul. A trademark of pagan writtings. But no wonder....it was written by Egyptian Jews and was very popular among the Pharasees in the time of Jesus.
In either case...the point I was trying to make was that the "Great Gulf Fixed" was not from the Law of Moses or the wisdom of the prophets, but from pagan sources. Sorry if I was unclear.
broken:
--- Quote from: Mickyd ---I guess I should have just said "Mythology" rather than Greek mythology.
The Greeks, Babylonians and Egyptians all borrowed from each other and tried to improve and assemilate. It depends on from which source you read. Some call it a river...a lake...a sea...others just a space. It really all means the same.
The book of Enoch...if you've read it then you must know right off that it follows these discriptions in great detail. In places the book becomes almost caotic and makes little sense. The Luminaries are obviousely variations of Babylonian astrology that was very popular among the Jews during their exile.
One thing you may notice is that it uses the term "Spirit" as it is an immortal soul. A trademark of pagan writtings. But no wonder....it was written by Egyptian Jews and was very popular among the Pharasees in the time of Jesus.
In either case...the point I was trying to make was that the "Great Gulf Fixed" was not from the Law of Moses or the wisdom of the prophets, but from pagan sources. Sorry if I was unclear.
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Just checking. Keeping you accountable to accuracy.
I agree with your statements...however, we must also accept that the "great gulf" is an image used by Jesus. We cannot discount its appearance just because it was not directly derived from the Tanakh. From there we have the problem of addressing precisely to what Jesus was referring when he used the imge of the gulf. Was he condoning such an idea or simply playing on the imagery of the day. In any case, you cannot possibly discard the image...its there and must be dealt with.
So, how do you interpret that passage?
Brandon
P.S. Oh, and you didn't address the fact that the "gulf" notion is described in the Mishnah, not simply derived from "pagan" sources.
Mickyd:
--- Quote from: broken ---So, how do you interpret that passage?
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I stand by my original statements in light of everything else contained in the New Testament.
--- Quote from: broken ---P.S. Oh, and you didn't address the fact that the "gulf" notion is described in the Mishnah, not simply derived from "pagan" sources.
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I'm not really familiar with the Mishnah...please enlighten. :)
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